along with the strong censoring that has occurred on reddit throughout the years, they have now removed r/all from the app and while using a desktop/laptop browser. instead of being able to stumble upon new subreddits you never knew existed, it wants to curate what you’re allowed to see
Mods here removed a quote from tropic thunder to describe Reddit.
Unfortunately the types of people that moderate community forms are overly sensitive losers and the word for slow in French.
This was a problem on reddit and is a problem here. The cancer that started there will recur as long as we have unaccountable unelected basement dwellers that want to play hall monitor online and can’t get laid.
Fuck reddit. Fuck powertripping mods. Fuck hall monitor nerds that put their thumb on the scales of open dialogue on forums.
I get that it’s a quote, one that many people find funny, but it is also rooted in ableism and hasn’t exactly aged super well. It’s not like your comment was removed for “wrongthink,” it was removed for violating a social norm that has evolved since that movie came out. Just my two cents. 🤷♀️
whose social norm?
this is the issue. you assume your social norms are shared by everyone. they aren’t. and then mods and such impose their social norms on everyone else rather than let the users decide what content they want to see.
i watched it happen countless times. community is pretty chill, but then a mod comes in and starts banning people who have been here for months/years over word choices or ‘tone’ or other petty nonsense because they want the community to only reflect their own personal norms and beliefs.
in real life you can go from town to town and the details of the norms and language change, that’s what’s normal. in some towns saying some words in heinous, in others, nobody cares.
it also doesn’t take into account the concept of context, which again, doesn’t exist for the sensitivity police who think all words mean the same things at all times and therefore must be banned from existence. let alone experiences, beliefs, or all the other things that actually make a community genuine diverse and interesting. the sensitivity police want to stamp out genuine diversity and create some weird linguistic police state nonsense where only certain things are permitted.
Using ableist terminology in quoting a dated joke is more than just “tone.” Everyone should feel welcome on Lemmy, including people with intellectual disability. That type of language marginalizes such people and has moved into being unacceptable. This isn’t stamping out diversity, it’s protecting it.
The logic here is pretty clear, it isn’t just someone randomly playing weird linguistic police. I totally get where you’re coming from, and I agree with you in principle, but I also feel like this particular case is just not the hill to die on.
Tell me more you live in a white college-educated liberal/leftie bubble, and think anyone who doesn’t share your viewpoints is ‘less than’ you.
It’s not about logic. It’s about you waking up the fact you don’t get to dictate how other people live their lives or how they speak, and your need to do that is nothing more than a power-tripping projection. And that you ‘welcoming to everyone’ necessary excludes people and is inherently contradictory based on arbitrary perceptions of language use, articulated by you, how views yourself as the dominant social group, and your instance that you ‘speak on behalf’ of those who you view as inherently less than you, that you must ‘protect’. I also notice these types of folks are self-appointed protectors. I doubt anyone asked you personally to go on the internet and start protecting them from certain words there.
That’s why this type of identity political nonsense pisses most people off, because it’s inherently contradictory on it’s own terms. And it’s typically welded by wannabe bullies who want to browbeat and power trip rather than genuinely create diverse communities and interesting communities. The inherent contradiction is why they use this ‘protect people’ justification all the time.
Further, I see words and things I disagree with all the time. But it’s not my place to ban or dictate to others how to speak or or force my views on them. I simple choose not to interact with them, but I am not so cowardly to think I can silence away their existence because it find it upsetting or find it offensive. Just like in real life, I don’t go up to people having a conversation that I find offensive and try to ‘educate’ them about how wrong they are, or tell someone off for wearing clothing I find offputting. Because I respect other people’s agency and freedom far more than respect my internal feelings of disgust and dislike.
Also why I don’t go into a Mosque and start trying to convert people there to Christianity… because I respect that they are different than me, and have practices and beliefs that are different than mine and oftentimes contradict mine. And they have such as might right to practice and speak as I do.
But if they start trying to covert me, yeah I’ll tell them to properly fuck off. Just like they should tell me to fuck off if I try to covert them. And that is what creates diversity and inclusion… respect for differences and the choice to participate.
Oh dude, I grew up on 4chan. I don’t personally give a single crap how you talk, I’m just saying why it is how it is. I have no desire to control your speech whatsoever.
Pretty sure most people understand the reasoning and move on with their lives.
Anyway, I’m gonna leave you with this and dip now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
i love this. every time your ‘camp’ is confronted you just ‘dip’ and drop some link to Popper like you’re dropping the mic and you’re some genius.
You don’t even understand Popper if you are using him here. Internet posts aren’t political speech. Popper’s argument is about political speech, not random people in in a coffee shop talking. But your camp can’t draw these distinctions between personal and political behaviors, because that’s too ‘difficult’ for you to understand. You also can’t understand context, or jokes, or the difference between your own feelings and the existence of the external world, half the time.
It’s also why you lose elections and the left is a joke politically. Because you can’t fight, you just run and hide, and wonder why the right beats the piss out of you in terms of social popularity and traction. Because they do fight. They don’t hide beside wikipedia links, and they try to reach people where they are rather than lecturing them from on high about how stupid and ignorant they are.
Would be nice to meet a leftist who actually stood for something other than being a pedantic hall monitor on the internet. But I notice when those leftists show up, all the other leftists just call them names because the idea of having a backbone and respecting other people’s differences, including linguistic differences, is SCARY to them. Lemmy leftists are always such total cowards.
I hope your day gets better.
Right, I’m just having a bad day if I dare to disagree with you and argue the point.
It can’t possibly be that you’re ignorant, or wrong, or presumptuous.
Because hey, you read wikipedia you know what is best for society, and haven’t ever considered the implications of your own beliefs when they are followed through… almost just like the very same MAGA people you love to hate.
It was a social norm to call black people the N word for generations… Social norms do not define good or bad behavior. They define what people find acceptable. Socially, the word you wish to be acceptable has made more and more people uncomfortable and has in fact become less and less socially acceptable to use casually. Many words you used to use are weird now. Growing up we used to say “frick” unironically. These days it would be a little strange to toss that in as a filler word. It’s the same concept except for the fact that the word has not become a slur, it’s just been outdated in its use.
Language evolves and words become acceptable and others become unacceptable. It’s the way it goes and is not a sign of sensitivity, instead a positive sign of progression of language. You are fighting against the nature of how language develops.
Language changes, it doesn’t ‘progress’. Lots of new racist and discriminatory terms now exist that didn’t years ago, many of which are totally acceptable because they are new and not ‘weird’.
But keep insisting that your language use is the only ‘correct’ one, I guess? It must make you feel big since you ‘know’ the ‘right’ language use. You should go around and ‘educate’ everyone you see on the street about it. See how well that goes over.
“Ableism” I stopped reading here. I’m so tired of you armchair activists and your bullshit. Get a job. If someone says something you don’t like, get over it!
Spoken like a true MAGA supporter.
I worked and voted for Bernie twice. Nice try. You’re the problem and exactly why this word is used
“I’m not a MAGAt, I’ll have you knooooow I’m a proud liberal ;)” Cringe.
Not an argument. Misrepresent my position that you don’t know to begin with and is in fact the opposite. Nice. Sick. Read about the straw man fallacy, you argue like a child
You are having a freakout in this thread dude, take a break. Won’t respond to anything else from this cringelord.
First time seeing a flamewar online huh?
Do you know what “ableism” means? Like, have you ever stopped to think about it? Can you define it?
Yeah it was made up by a bunch of childless 30 something-year-old women that needed something to complain about
So no.
Censoring the free exchange of ideas and information because someone may be offended by a word on the screen is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life.
You’re going to lose this every time. People have had enough of this pearl clutching Nanny State bullshit. Nobody wants to associate with people who do this or who advocate for this idiocy.
The irony of this is that OPs name is literally “bong hits for Jesus.” Are you familiar with that story?
Oh, you’re mad that you can’t use a slur? That’s like, the powertripping? People leave reddit because of chuds like you hombre.
Edit: check his account, its a ragebot or something.
It’s not a slur. You are overly sensitive. You are the problem
Bigoted man believes others are sensitive because he can’t decide what is and is not a slur for everyone else. Beautiful.
Any word that expresses a negative connotation about a group becomes a slur over time. And then a new word is chosen, which becomes a slur eventually as well. I think trying to make ideas impossible to say by banning the words used to say them is futile.
Okay, so tell me the slurs you’re willing to say since you believe there ought to be no consequence to doing so.
You have no values dude, you’re just performing for yourself.
I don’t say slurs. It’s not nice.
That doesn’t mean I think trying to force others to behave like I do is moral or productive. (Or nice. A bit coercive.)
This should not be hard to understand. I also don’t drink, and would not ban booze.
Have you considered for once in your life that you aren’t qualified to make that judgement? As much as dorkass fake thinkers like you pretend to be objective in service of some other fake values (I wonder why you used the word productive as synonymous with “good” or “helpful” HMMMMMM), you never actually stop to think about what you say.
Maybe if a slur does not effect you, you don’t get to have a say in whether it is alright to say. The only consequence this fascist got was people online making fun of him. If you think that is a consequence equal to dehumanization, maybe you should just count your lucky stars for the simple life you’ve been afforded and shut the fuck up about things you don’t know about.
Won’t even read your response, it’s clear that you’re very self-satisfied along with being a bigot.
I don’t believe in a higher power, of course we get to judge shit like this. What higher breed of human am I meant to be listening to?! It’s just us humans here. We do the judging.
Did you just assume my gender identity?
Deduced it. Don’t be sensitive.
I wish Tumblr was still around so you could go back to it
Forum moderation corroded the human soul. It’s a thankless job that mostly involves policing the most perverse, belligerent, and degenerate people.
I’ve been on the internet a long time, without fail, moderation on forums and chat rooms turns into a twisted version of the Stanford prison experiment every single time.
The people that push for censorship and language policing enable this kind of behavior and make these moderators feel like they’re doing the right thing when they are acting like total authoritarians. I will call these idiots out every single time. Fuck them
One side of the coin.
The other is the guy that keeps making new accounts just to post FBI Crime Statistics, Stonetoss memes, and CSAM.
Consider yourself called out
Crime stats and stone toss aren’t illegal, CSAM is.
Get a clue
What a crock of bullshit you just stated and total false equivalence