The morality of torturing children cause they’re not from the chosen people.

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    This headline is ANTI SEMETIC! Let me FIX it For YOU! “Palestinian Father TORTURES his Child by Not Talking!” NOW it’s NOT Anti Semetic!

    -Governments who Wonder why People are Attacking Synagogues!

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      anyone attacking synagogues is doing so of their own volition and are ACTUALLY motivated by ACTUAL antisemitism. Israel ≠ Jews as a whole

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        Exactly, there’s a difference between Jews and Israelis. Attacking synagogues is wrong but AIPAC offices, we can have a conversation about those.

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          For example, I’m Jewish, but I say “fuck Israel.” Except for my one Israeli cousin who keeps getting arrested for disobeying orders. He and his squad are cool.

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        Israel and its acolytes “don’t help” by keeping repeating it’s their biblical right. This results in a unilateral meaning and use of the term “anti-Semitism”.

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              they do.

              "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.’

              read a book, it might help you understand

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                I mean in contemporary times. Not like hindreds or thousands of years ago.
                i’m not saying nobody says so. But who justifies war, genocide and land acquisition with biblical/islamic/judaic/… arguments. In this day and age.

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                  Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Americans. the list is endless.

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        Temple Israel

        The congregation was founded in 1941 in Detroit,[5] just 60 days before the United States entered World War II, by members who broke away from another congregation since it was insufficiently supportive of Zionism and the creation of a Jewish state.

        I’m sure that guy knew what target he has chosen very well. It wasn’t at random.

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          I’m still shocked the guy didn’t have an Al-Qaeda flag hanging from his rear window and a hoodie with Qur’an quotes like other false flags.

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    Israel becoming a country was a mistake, if this is the price of it.

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      It’s harder to separate Israel from its long term hard right conservative government, it’s like if Bush was president for the last 30 years.

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        Israel was founded by terror organizations operating in the British Mandate of Palestine. It has been this way for 70 years. This is the consequence of allowing a religious ethnostate to control the most controversial region of the world.

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    I mentioned in my comment from the start and before making any edit that this cannot belong to the jewish religon. Same thing happened with ISIS who adopted a false supremacist murderous and evil idology of Islam. They enslaved Yazidi women and slaughtered kids and men whom they viewed as not from the chosen people.
    How the fuck was ISIS bad but Zionism is supported by Europe and the US and Western values? ISIS never represented Islam the same way Zionism does not represt Judaism. ISIS mirrors Zionism to the tee btw. They were colonizing lands that was promised to them by god, slaughtering and raping people for their promised Khalifite who will lead their people to rule the world. They also needed a country for them to escape “the prosecution” they experienced everywhere in the world to practice their idology. Does ISIS have the right to exist??

    So lets not pretend these monsters dont exist regardless of what they claim their belief is; We judge them by their actions. The Episten files showed him and Donald Trump impregnating and aborting a mentally disabled kid numerous times. Also showed him mocking a girl who was asking Jesus for help because he absolutely does not believe in any god. Also showed his 1500 galons of acid tank that is connected to the swerage system beneath. There is an ongoing investigation regarding missing bodies in his NM ranch. There is hard undeniable evidence that this monsterous elite Epestien class exist and they do everything above the laws without shred of humanity.

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      Isn’t there a decent amount of evidence that ISIS is in fact, the IDF. ?

      False flag operation.

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          Weird how ISIS only targets other Muslims.

          Even though it’s legit against the Muslim religion to kill other Muslims.

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            Even though it’s legit against the Muslim religion to kill other Muslims.

            Not really. Islam has a lot of denominations and interpretations of the quran. ISIS justify killing of other muslims as that these muslims are “kuffar” because they have not actively implemented the teachings of Allah and are silent and complicit in not implementing sharia law.

            Some denominations would say that those muslim people are ignorant and so there’s no blame to be put on them. ISIS’s sees that ignorance is not an execuse because in their opinion it is every muslim’s duty to learn their religion, and that if they did, they’d see that they must implement sharia law.

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              They have very strict laws about murder and violence in their holy book.

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      As an ex-muslim. I’d like to correct you that everything that ISIS did is mentioned in Quran and is actually a valid interpretation. In fact, a lot of it is mentioned directly by hadith and verses in the quran. Hence why you will never hear any religious institution calling them “kuffar” or people who have strayed and adopted a false supremacist view. They just really can’t do that because everything ISIS did can, and is justified by the quran and hadith.

      However, that is NOT to be taken in an islamaphobic way. The majority of the muslim population have no idea about this, as was I when I was still muslim. Simply because we don’t get taught in schools about it. Islam is a cancer, it has the potential to be used to justify horrible atrocities because the quran and hadith contain so much shit like this. Just like any religion really, but it also happens to be overrun by extremists who spread their extremist views.

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        Isis was armed and paid by Israel. Religions are theaters of the class war, not ennemies in themselves

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          Religions are tools to control the masses and yes the rich use them for this purpose. Thus it should eventually be dismantled if possible, or restrained at least. Because when religious institutions have too much power and influence we can agree that nothing good happens out of it.

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        No one cares too much about what their book says. We dont care if someone said they follow the Satanic Temple; however we judge them on what they actually do. Zionism is a genocidal settler-colonial cult idology, and its followers inflect evil inhumanity and injustice and pain violating every humanright and crime in international laws, and any interpretation of humans moral norms…

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          Dude, how can you get this conclusion from what I said? Or is this a strawman or what?

          As I said, the definition of “muslim” differs by interpretation because like any other religion, people interpret the text differently. Shia muslims say that they are right. Sunnis think they are right, and within each there is more and more denominations that think they are right and none but them. There is so much infighting between them it makes leftist-infighting look like child’s play.

          So yes. One of the interpretations, adopted by ISIS, says that these muslims are considered kuffar (people who have rejected god), because they did not seek to learn about their religion and establish the rules that Allah commanded. Even if they were ignorant about their religion, it doesnt matter, they should have learned as it’s their duty as muslims. Thus, it is okay to kill them (Cuz yes, the quran is okay with killing and enslaving non-muslims, in fact it explicitly encourages it.) So this is how they justify killing them.

          Obviously this is the niche explanation of ISIS. Not mainstream islamic interpretations.

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            You said everything ISIS did is mentioned in quran and is valid interpretation of it. Yes?

            Quran defines muslims as people who believe in oness of Allah and Prophet Muhammad as the final messenger of Allah.

            Quran is very explicit about this terminology. The part of the quran revealed in Madinah (first islamic state), tackles this question of people who say they are muslim but do not act like it. They are called munafiqs (not kuffar), in fact this is the biggest topic of madni quran.

            So when you say that actions of ISIS are from quran, that is categorically wrong.

            That’s my whole point. Which is very very apparent if a non-muslim were to read it without an anti-muslim agenda.

            I don’t even wanna go into your other false claims cuz the internet is literally filled of their refutations if anyone want to look into that those topics.

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              You said everything ISIS did is mentioned in quran and is valid interpretation of it. Yes?

              Everything ISIS did is a valid interpretation of quran and hadith. Sunni muslims use two sources to make rulings, one is the qur’an and the second is hadith. Because the atrocities are countless, let’s talk about two things they did often:

              1. Ensalevement of women: The quran explicitly mentions this as Malakat Al-Yamin, it talks about it in regards to islamic laws of marriage and who men are allowed to have sex with, saying that men are allowed to sleep with their wives and those whom they own (Aw Ma Malakat Aymanokom).

              Slavery, as you see, is permitted in islam and is mentioned countless times in the quran itself. You can look up the verse I mentioned.

              Not only that, it is also supported by hadith in multiple Sahih hadith (which is the highest degree of trust in a hadith being correct and traced back to the time of Muhammed by muslim scholars).

              The first hadith talks about his wife Safiyyah Bint Huyayy. She was enslaved during the battle of Khaybar, taken at first by Dihyah Al-Kalby. Muhammed then heard about her beauty and status and decided to take her for himself. I would also like to mention by the way, that she lost her husband and father that day, killed in the battle. She was then taken by Muhammed as a slave, and he slept with her on their way back that night. Not even 24 hours after the death of her father and her husband.

              So yes. Muhammed himself partook in slavery.

              Another one was about Aayisha and how she set one of her slaves free, then told Muhammed about it. His own response was “Had you given her to one of your uncles would have been of higher reward to you from Allah.” I don’t remember the hadith verbatim, but it’s along those lines. Again, I encourage you to look this up.

              1. Mass killings:

              Verse 4 from Surat Muhammed justifies this by telling those who believe in god that: “if they ever meet anyone who is a non-believer they should hit their necks [with their swords] until they kill a large number of them, then take the rest as prisoners of war, until the war ends, and if god wanted he’d win this war…etc (Look up the verse).”

              As for the difference between Makkah quran and the quran of Madina, you will find a great shift of tone from the “peaceful co-existence” tone in Makkah quran, to talking about Munaffiqeen and fighting kuffar in Madina Quran. The difference is crazy that the verses contradict one another. Especially verses in surat Al-Tawbah. Scholars solve this problem of contradictions by saying that the latter surahs and verses (and even hadiths in some cases!) essentially override the early verses (Something called Naskh).

              So yes.The actions of ISIS can be justified from the Quran and Hadith. I am also willing to argue that this was the way of life of Muhammed and his Sahabah 1400 years ago. A life of war, genocide, and enslavement, as is supported by countless Hadiths and verses from the quran, of which I only told you very few lol.

              Now, again I would like to stress. The fact that they do this against other muslims as well by saying they are kaffir, is as I said, not the mainstream view. In fact, most muslim sheikhs and scholars throughout history took the idea of calling a mulsim kafir as taboo. Because they believed only Allah was allowed to say that about someone. The reason is that by saying someone is kaffir you are essentially saying they are going to hell. Thus, making a ruling that only Allah is allowed to make.

              So only minority groups of muslims like ISIS do such thing, while even large institutions like Al-Azhar in Egypt and other muslim institutions refrain from using that language against ISIS.

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      No, this is the Jewish religion. They believe you do not have a divine soul, you are inherently lesser, you will be a slave to them when their messiah returns, and if you read about any of their heinous beliefs in the Talmud you should be killed. This is the consequence of allowing a religous ethnostate to control the most controversial region of the world.

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          Hey speaking of. Have you ever wonder why he wouldn’t shave his sideburns and slicks them back, or why many staffers came out in 2019 and said he converted to Judaism with his daughter.

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            Israelis get unlimited privilages from Zionism even if they were atheists and dont believe shit on the inside; They get to basically kill people and steal their free homes without accountability under Israel’s aparthied judiciary, they get richer from land theft, and occupation, and survaliance control, and aparthied enslavement of Palestinians, and wars on neighboring countriea, and when they spend $250 millions bribing US congress, they get $15 billions back.

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              It’s an ethnic religion. Even the atheist jews are included in end time prophecy where jews will rule the world with all of us as slaves. Of course they benefit from genocide and expansion of a jewish state and bribing, lobbying, or blackmailing politicians in the world’s strongest country to support them.

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            He’s not doing this shit because he’s Jewish you elder protocol schmuck. It’s because Israel is a convenient attack dog for the US in the middle east. And probably because Mossad has heinous shit on him.

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              At this point it could be both. Trump fucked his soul up so much he converted to a religion that doesn’t have hell and he is being blackmailed to unconditionally support jews.

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    Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.

    Israel has been way over the line for a while.

    If we allow them, Team Trump, and the rest of the greed first lobby to continue, i can only hope for total and complete nuclear destruction.

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      I mean we’ve been allowing this shit to happen all over the world, and worse – it’s just not in the news because news about israel gets more clicks

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      Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.

      Historically, the bar has been set extraordinarily low. But that’s largely based on the question of informed consent. Articles like this aren’t going to show up on FOX or ABC or CBS, so long as the people perpetrating the crimes are Israeli. By contrast, if an Iranian or Russian or Chinese or <insert scary country here> police force engaged in such an act, it would be held up as an excuse for carpet bombing their power plants and assassinating their university professors.

      If we allow them

      We aren’t in a position to allow or disallow without a large scale mobilization of labor. Even then, a lot of what you’re talking about begins with boring bureaucratic shit like petitions and marches. The violence doesn’t just go away because some pollster can show a broad public disgust (for - again - events the major Western media isn’t interested in covering).

      Without assess to mass media, the public remains broadly uninformed and disinterested. Without a mobilized labor movement, there is no organizational support for individual dissent.

      Even when such things do exist (Italian and Spanish citizens have been at the forefront of the BDS movement), there are countervailing forces among the plutocracy that obstruct material change.

      The belief that you can unilaterally or rapidly affect sweeping international policy changes - that you are some Great Man of History who has volunteered to be apathetic - is going to drive you insane, if you let it.

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      There needs to be a better way to enforce geneva conventions and UN resolutions for countries at the top. Otherwise they’ll only bring them up when it’s convenient for them.

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      The fact that people aren’t talking about sudan and Myanmar where worse happens is telling, but this has better video coverage.

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    It’s just splendid that world gets to watch a genocidal colonial settler project akin to what European colonial powers were up to two hundred years ago all because Britain promised land to a group of people one hundred years ago. For an empire that loved beuraucracy how were they such absolute shit at drawing borders? I mean we know they believed in a global race based caste system (they believed white people were born superior) and were antisemitic enough to be excited at the prospect of Jewish people leaving their country but how do you fuck up the world this bad? Major skill issue in my opinion.

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        Oh America is as if not more accountable.

        I decided to focus on where this started. It’s well known that America is the successor of the British empire. There was a massive transfer of wealth or colonial loot that occurred when the Nazis absolutely decimated Britain, as the Brits spent essentially all of their savings on weapons purchases from America.

        America acquired two thirds of the worlds gold through world war II which allowed it to subsequently establish the Breton Woods system, kicking off its past 75 years of empire.

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      there’s a lot wrong with this comment. Israel was created as the league of nations pressured Britain Into creating a home for the Jewish populations displaced after the wars. other counties weren’t happy to take that population and the Jews themselves wanted to return to what they saw as they’re homeland. after WW1 Britain pledged support for their right to a nation and offered to help set that up but it wasn’t until 1947 when the united nations voted for their partition plan that it was decided to decide the land up into separate Arab and Jewish states. the Jews agreed, the arabs didn’t, and when in 1948 Israel declared independence (a joke I know considering their need for American support has never wanted) they and the Arab states were immediately in opposition and have been ever since. blame Britain and white people lol you want but actually they were wonky ever trying to help a people displaced by terrible persecution and who were unwanted by the rest of the world. it seems they still are, so maybe they have a point about that persecution…

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          "Initially on the defensive, the Zionist forces switched to the offensive in April 1948.[20][21] In anticipation of an invasion by Arab armies,[22] they enacted Plan Dalet, an operation aimed at securing territory for the establishment of a Jewish state.[23]

          The second phase of the war began on 14 May 1948, with the declaration of the establishment of the State of Israel and the termination of the British Mandate at midnight. The following morning, the surrounding Arab armies invaded Palestine, beginning the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. The Egyptians advanced in the south-east while the Jordanian Arab Legion and Iraqi forces captured the central highlands. Syria and Lebanon fought against the Israeli forces in the north. The newly formed Israel Defense Forces managed to halt the Arab forces and in the following months began pushing them back and capturing territory."

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_War

          but I guess that’s Israel’s fault too right?

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            “The 1948 Palestine war[b] (30 November 1947 – 10 March 1949) was fought in the territory of what had been, at the start of the war, British-ruled Mandatory Palestine.[16] It began as a civil war between the Arab and Jewish communities following the United Nations Partition Plan and became an international conflict with the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel,[c] the termination of the British mandate, and the entry of the armies of neighbouring Arab states into Palestine. During the war, Zionist forces[d] conquered about 78% of the former territory of the mandate causing the expulsion and flight of over 700,000 Palestinians.”

            No, that one’s on the british for deciding to divvy up land that wasn’t theirs.

            “Although the Jewish Agency accepted the partition plan, it did not accept the proposed borders as final and Israel’s declaration of independence avoided the mention of any boundaries. A state in part of Palestine was seen as a stage towards a larger state when opportunity allowed. Although the borders were ‘bad from a military and political point of view,’ Ben Gurion urged fellow Jews to accept the UN Partition Plan, pointing out that arrangements are never final, ‘not with regard to the regime, not with regard to borders, and not with regard to international agreements’. The idea of partition being a temporary expedient dated back to the Peel Partition proposal of 1937. When the Zionist Congress had rejected partition on the grounds that the Jews had an inalienable right to settle anywhere in Palestine, Ben Gurion had argued in favour of acceptance, 'I see in the realisation of this plan practically the decisive stage in the beginning of full redemption and the most wonderful lever for the gradual conquest of all of Palestine.”

            I take issue with the MEANS by which the state of israel invaded, and the fact the state agreed with the original plan with the undeniable intent to further invade.

            And with Israel’s continued actions after the UN agreed to give israel more than half of Palestinian land

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread

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              I think you make a great point about the means Israel uses.

              I think they have a right to defend themselves when attacked but it does seem that every time they step so far past the acceptable that the results are truly horrific, the current genocide is evil incarnate.

              I didn’t know about the peel partition proposal, thank you for enlightening me. every time I read the words of Ben gurion I’m slightly astounded, such duplicity, and that is has so much support is mind boggling to me.

              just shows that the peace process has always been a cover for their plans, I mean he states it plainly. wild that they have always had so much support from the west , I’ve never understood western Christians support tbh.

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              now I’m a genocidal piece of shit? because I point out that antisemitism exists in islam?

              also why do you keep deleting all these lovely messages you’re sending me? ashamed?

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      Mengele surgically attached children to each other to recreate “Siamese twins”. He removed the eyes of a twin and implanted them into their sibling. He injected Typhoid bacteria into small children and opened their skulls without anesthesia.

      The IOF is a gaggle of genocidal maniacs. They torture, maim and kill. They are not worse than Nazi Germany. Little of what humans have done on this earth is worse than Nazi Germany.

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        Little of what humans have done on this earth is worse than Nazi Germany.

        Maybe you should have a look into the Japanese “operations” in occupied China, then.

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        I’m not convinced we won’t hear about similar done in Israel. If they had any scientific incentive to do so, I have little doubt they would be willing to.

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        Dude was obsessed with twins.

        He also once delivered a baby and lobbed it from the birthing bed into an incinerator, still alive, with the mother in the room.

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    Ladies and Gentlemen, the “most moral army in the World” fully showing their “Western values”.

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    In some ways we should be treating the state of Israel as a serial killer. Obviously we and any courts are better knowing about this. But should we be concerned that publication changes behaviour?

    In some ways “hopefully” they are brazen and psychologically disturbed enough that it doesn’t. Because this baby could’ve quite easily just disappeared, if they thought this coming out would make them look worse. I’m sure it’s happened.

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    I was permanently banned on reddit for commenting under this exact story that I think Islamic terrorists maybe have a point.

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      Well it maybe would have a point if they blew up IDF soldiers and not some random train station in Europe or a stadium full of kids and teenagers. All that achieves is more hatred against regular Muslims.

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        My comment didn’t accurately express that I meant it about the terrorist acts against Israel.

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          They’re not terrorists. They’re resisting the occupation of their lands. the only terrorists are the Zionist demons who gloat about the children they torture and kill.

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        Muslim terrorists are terrorists because they are muslim. Otherwise they would just be mental health patients.

        As an example: in 2023 out of all the terrorism arrests that happened in Europe, only 13% were immigrants but when you look at news articles, they are filled with immigrants attacking Europe.

        Somehow, everyone knows rascism is bad but when it comes to immigrants or muslims, people are waaay too eager to believe that their terrorism is due to their ethnicity or faith rather than the unjust treatment or radicalizing institutes (like ISIS), where as such institutes were funded to defend western economic interests.

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          Where did I say that Islamic terrorist are terrorist because they are muslims? ah yes the guys that blew up Brussels Station or gunned down Charlie Hebdo were just mental health patients. LOL. I’m not talking about the random attacks by mentally ill people my dude.

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            You made a general statement about “muslim terrorist” killing train station and stadium full of kids.

            The very word “muslim terrorist” implicates muslims with terrorism through guilt by association. Otherwise people would just call them terrorist.

            How come nobody calls IDF jewish terrorist? Cuz when somebody were to use that word everyone else will call them antisemite and rightly so. Even though jewish scripture+rabbis preach violence against gentiles, we still shouldn’t be using that language.

            Charlie hebdo or any other crime of that nature happens when the person comitting the crime are failed by the system. They were neglected and alienated by society, indoctrinated by exetremist institutions like ISIS which were themselves created by CIA and the likes to protect western imperialism

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              ok read my post again. I didn’t even write Muslim terrorist in the first post. Also do you feel the same about Anders Breivik as what you just wrote about the Charlie Hebdo attackers?

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      These are for sure the reasons why humans decide to become terrorists