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“I drink alcohol and fuck men, but I’m not gay. Keep that pork away from me”.
This seems to be the most popular attitude among muslim men
The pork thing seems a lot more ingrained than the alcohol thing. Wonder if it has something to do with trichinosis.
Probably because, even if you want to eat meat, it’s easy go for alternatives. When it comes to alcohol, no easy alternative can be used.
Tbh, I’ve also known a lot of Jews who will eat a cheeseburger or shrimp, but not pork.
I grew up Catholic, but my dad can’t digest pork, so we never ate it or had it in the house growing up (turns out I can’t digest it either, which I didn’t learn until I inadvertently ate some at a restaurant as an adult). I’m now a vegan and I enjoy meat alternatives, but I have zero interest in anything that tries to seem like any pork products. I once got some ground fake meat that I thought was supposed to be beeflike, but it was modeled on pork and I had to give away the chili I had made because I couldn’t stomach it.
It’s a very strong taste and smell, so if you don’t grow up with it, it’s probably not something that actually appeals to you past curiosity about the whole bacon meme (it was way too heavy and the umami equivalent of sickly sweet imo and got stuck in my teeth more than I expected it to)
Kind of a tradition thing for me and my siblings. If you grew up thinking it’s unedible then it becomes weird to eat.
For example most people from US would not eat cat meat even if they were given $10 to do it. No religious idea there it’s just “culturally unedible.”
This is different from octopus etc which are more so in “I didn’t know people ate it but I was never told it can’t be” or “neutral” territory.
Alcohol makes you look cool to your friends (at least they think so) and not eating pork makes you look cool to other muslims
It’s wild that no one’s pushed back on this. Most Muslims drink and have sex with other men? That’s a preposterous and bigoted claim.
Statista sucks, so this is the clearest archive version I can find, but in France, a western country with a well integrated Muslim population and a significant drinking culture, the largest demographic of Muslim drinkers were those over 50 at 30%, whereas those under 25 were at 15%, and presumably the 25-50 year olds look to drink at a rate of ~22-25%
If you’re looking at the minority that is specifically: “Men in western society who are Muslim in the same way Trump is Christian” then maybe.
Otherwise, the majority of Muslims do not drink alcohol.
With regards to the sexuality, then yes. There are a large number of Muslim men who are repressed LGBTQ individuals that are afraid of what their community might do to them. All of this is while Saudi Arabia also has full educational tracks segregated by gender worsening the sexual confusion of all minors, in addition to leading to abusive relationships (many of which involve minor sexual abuse).
If memory serves me well, the drinking of alcohol is also forbidden.
Nah Absolut are just proud of their clever wink wink rainbow marketing that cleverly doesn’t say anything pro LGBTQ+ so people don’t… ah bollocks well they saw right through that one
Yes and no. It’s the 6 color rainbow which is specifically the LGBTQIA2S+ flag and not ROY G BIV. Those that use the 7 color rainbow are the ones trying to skirt the issue.
And the ones that use the 8 color rainbow are saying that they don’t want any misunderstandings
I think it’s a weak signal and they don’t get any points for a(n almost) technically correct encoding
LOL as far as I know, there aren’t levels of haram. I don’t think you can pick and choose.
Try explaining to a Christian fundamentalist that if gays have to be executed so do unfaithful spouses
Reminds me of an old friend of mine. Happy to get schlammered every weekend, but would get offended and take it personally if he was offered a ham sandwich or some bacon.
To them it’s like God might forgive them if they commit a mass murder, but not if they eat pork.
Alcohol is haram but the Pride flag is too much? Pal, when you’re five shots in your sexuality is the least of your worries.
/r/thatsthejoke
*c/
fair enough, not sure we have a community for that or not 🤔
EDIT: a quick search reveals there is no such community at least that my instance has access to 👍
You go tell them that lmao
Can somebody please tell that to their governments, then?
I’m still trying to forget the videos where they tossed human beings from buildings, or slowly hang them up, just for loving the wrong person.
Ah, Americans, so focused on the dysfunctionalities of other countries because US media uses them constantly to manufacture consent for war against them. Never gets old. Oh wait, it does.
OOP is obviously making a joke…
Yes, but I do know a lot of people like this personally.
I like the subtle detail they posted this during Ramadan.
Shares the same stupid monkey brain with bigots everywhere. And with the rest of us, unfortunately.
I thought Muslim people weren’t supposed to drink.
That’s the joke/criticism
I wonder if rainbows on your beer would keep the Baptists out…
The priorities here are doing a full 180 in real time 😭
gay water🏳️🌈
edit: i have little experience with the religious subject at hand, and so this should be taken with a healthy share of doubt. i express my gratitude to those who respond to clarify and communicate more accurate and complete information. :)
interestingly, alcohol (ethanol) is not exactly haram. i have seen many instances (primarily from chemstores/chemical suppliers) of ethyl alcohol marked as halal! this article on some malay government website looks to provide a brief overview of the topic. they also had a more lengthy article (doi:10.24191/sl.v18i1.24338) about the subject too, and halal certification services has this (doi:10.1016/j.tifs.2016.10.018) slightly harder to read but still intriguing review.
i am by no means experienced in this subject (if you are feel free to reply!) beyond reading the labels on chemicals and using it for cleaning. in short though i think the important thing for alcohol-containing substances to be halal is that you don’t consume any with too high an ethanol concentration, either if there’s the possibility of intoxication, or poisoning (considered attempted suicide and thus haram, going by the above sources). if its high concentration stuff used for cleaning or production but not in the final product, it can be acceptable, and so can very low concentrations even when consumed (the body would have to ingest so much that it would have other issues like low sodium prior to any intoxication).
remember, sharia law is much like any other form of law: it’s riddled with complexity, opaqueness, and tons of loopholes!
There’s differece of opinion with alcohol. One school of jurisprudence goes by the ruling that it’s the fermentation part that makes it haram, so synthetically made ethanol in a lab isn’t haram if it’s not used in levels that intoxicate, whereas another school says it’s the actual intoxicating property of the chemical that’s haram so you can’t use it unless it’s for necessary medical reasons and there’s no alternative. I don’t know what the other two schools say.
Ooh I actually have a cool example about last “shariah is just a law” part.
Islam is very much flexible in topic of health and you are allowed to use haram items like pork or alcohol products in medicine if no other options available.
Here is the cool part, even tho culturally there is still a lot of pushback and problems, gender dysphoria still falls under “health” and therefore treatments are protected under shariah.
Hence wikipedia articles like Transgender Rights in Iran have very surprising starts.
Visiting Mynia Egypt in the eighties (famed as a center of conservative Islam), the male students I met in the tea houses didn’t seem to mind to deepen their friendships.
