• Jhex@lemmy.world
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    Well if you were not sure, this is clear evidence Spain did the right thing

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    As Trump said about Starmer:

    I guess our relationship isn’t what it used to be.

    You are goddam right it isn’t you malignant sociopath. And it’s all 100% your fault, and the Americans that voted for you twice!

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    Jesus Fucking Christ this man is a fucking child. He is constantly throwing tantrums any time he doesn’t get his way.

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    And Spain, before you count yourself blessed of being rid of them … It will only lasts until he or one of his oligarch’s can make a buck, then it’s taco time all over again.

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    I’m more interested in seeing what happens with the second part of his threat, that he’ll “use those bases whether spain likes it or not”.

    I believe that’s called an incursion on foreign soil.

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    Spanish boicot of USA products now got easier! Yay!

    Just also remember to unsubscribe to all USA provided services.

    Here is a curated list of alternatives.

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      Remember when he tried to discuss a trade deal with Merkel? And she is like “uh, that’s not how it works”

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    Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez, one of a dwindling number of left-leaning voices in Europe

    I didn’t know there were any left. Good job, Spain!

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      You should also look into the Hungarian elections coming up its starting to look like their far right leader will lose!

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        Don’t get too excited. Yes, it’s a split from Orban and Magyar is more pro-EU, but Tisza (the new party) is a splinter group from Fidesz (Orban’s party) and share many of the same views domestically.

        Basically, same far right people but willing to stfu to get access to EU funds again.

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          I haven’t looked into it too much myself but that would still be a pretty good improvement since the new party would probably approve more bills that hungry is currently blocking if they didn’t then they still wouldn’t get funding

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      I’m all for the move, and I’m definitely a progressive, but I think it’d be good for people to understand that Sanchez is no Idealist. The man is a party rat, and all his moves are calculated to keep himself in power.

      As I said, I agree with the move, but the motivation is not what people think it is.

      I guess it’s the broken clock thing.

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    The shame I have for my country is only matched by my admiration for Spain and any other country that tells President Pedo to eat shit.

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      They aren’t even telling him to eat shit out of spite or dislike. Just being congruent in their foreign policy.

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        Did you mean consistent?

        Congruent:
        Similar to or in agreement with something, so that two things can both exist or be combined without issues.

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    The MAGA fucks still fail to realize how important the US military installations in the EU are for their stupid military adventures. Spain is 100% correct and the rest of the EU members should do the same to bring the entire ill planned shitshow, created by Israel and the USA, to an abrupt end.

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    As a European, I feel that we are still tiptoeing around Trumps threats and perhaps need a catalyst to start our transition away from reliance upon the US. The UK had Brexit which was wholly dumb. However, Europe is so much more than just a tiny island

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      It is always good to not look at what geopolitcal actors say, but what they do. For example the Make in Europe initative, the massive trade deals with Mercosur, India and a lot of other countries and blocks recently, a move towards local weapons and software purchases, working on replacing Visa and Mastercard with the digital Euro and so forth.

      European countries were in general close allies of the US. That created a close reliance, which can not be cut without a lot of pain overnight. The biggest issue seems to be Russia right now. Having the US as a NATO member at least on paper defending members against Russia is usefull. As are the ability to purchase some American weapons, without European alternatives or with too low production numbers like Patriot. The smart move is to reduce the dependence on the US steadily, while not causing too many big breaks, which hurt Europe.

      Probably a good comparison is what happened with Russia after the full scale invasion. A lot of yelling at each other. Massive fights on different positions and then half a year later the EU mostly cut off Russian fossil fuels, managed to set up a steady supply of arms and other aid to Ukraine, provide support for millions of refugees and so forth.

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        There will be some, like the Brexiteers. However, my though is that the entire world needs to reduce dependency upon the US, and the Trillionaire class.

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    Misleading title as nothing happened yet and AFAIK he can’t. EU is a single economic zone.

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      They could always just block everything with Spanish origin. But as long as it doesn’t say Made in Spain or clearly list the original sender, it’s easy to just route it through another EU country. Though that could be seen as avoiding an embargo? Depends on the language used I guess. Obviously the EU would not help him enact this blockade.

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        Doesn’t matter, because if Trump blocks trade with Spain, EU law requires that they shut down all trade with the US, period. Unified Trade Policy; you don’t get to make individual trade deals with EU member states, and you don’t get to selectively accept or reject trade with EU member states. It’s all or nothing. It would be like someone trying to block all trade with Alabama.

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      This is the only comment here that matters. Nothing has happened. Nothing will happen, because Trump is going to piss his pants and scream and moan, and then all of his advisors are going to explain to him for the sixteenth time that the only want to cut off trade with Spain is to cut off trade with the entire EU. No more Ferraris and Lambos. No more guns for their Abrams tanks. No more French cheese and wine. No more US trade to a market of 450 million comparatively wealthy people.

      Even the actual headline of the article reads “Trump to cut off all US trade with Spain over refusal to use military bases in Iran war”. Because it hasn’t happened yet. And it won’t. It’s just another empty threat from a pathetic, brainless coward.

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      That aside, his ability to impose tariffs without congress approval was just limited, right?

      I’m not a US law expert but it would be weird if he couldn’t set a 20% tariff but was allowed to stop trading with a country completely.

      I mean, following that line of reasoning he shouldn’t even be able to wage a war just like that, but humor me here…

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          I thought that was under a different legal pretext that caps them at max 15% and for a limited time

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            Correct. The USSC rejected his claim to be able to impose unlimited tariffs (under a law that says no such thing), which forced him to then rely on an entirely different law that potentially offers him the ability to impose much more restricted tariffs; 15%, for 90 days, and he has to impose them equally across all trading partners. Which is threatening to upend a bunch of the deals they already made.

            It’s also likely not legal either, but it’ll have to go through the courts again. This time around it’s because the law he’s now using only applies where there is a “balance of payments” issue; basically, where the US is in danger of running out of actual physical money to make payments with. This literally cannot happen with fiat currencies; it’s a law that was designed to handle issues that can only occur with precious metal backed currencies. This a very real problem that used to happen. I think the most famous example I can bring to mind is the Opium Wars, which basically happened because Britain was buying so much tea from China, while selling them almost nothing in return, that they were running out silver to pay the Chinese with.

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        He actually can implement temporary sanctions but afaik they also fall into another emergency power provision and I don’t know if they can override existing trade deals from congress.