I don’t know you tell me. Are the current efforts to zionist wash all of the old antisemitic tropes a joke? I’d think after a bunch of Jews got massacred in Australia y’all would realize antisemitism is real, it’s global, and maybe it’s not a joke.
I dont think there’s a single person here that would say antisemitism is fake. But a blanket “Your an antisemitic a-hole” for anyone that has a differing opinion is literally the same thing, just with religion removed.
Im not saying thats what you are doing, because both your comment and reply have deeply confused me. I dont like to assume withiut at least some level of confirmation, and I never got my answer anyway…
Ah so you recognize antisemitism is real. Good for you. Do you also recognize that there’s a deliberate effort to make antisemitism acceptable by preemptively discrediting all claims of antisemitism?
That’s what the meme is about isn’t it? The point is that “it’s ok to say whatever you want, antisemitism isn’t real.” You’re being front loaded with the idea that if anyone says something is antisemitic that person should automatically be discredited.
If all accusations of antisemitism are false, that logically means antisemitism isn’t real.
A very insidious tactic they’re using here isn’t it?
What? The meme is clearly about using antisemitism as a false flag to shut down arguments.
You may have been on the internet too long, you should take some time to yourself. You have used the word ‘antisemitism’ 11 times in our comment chain alone, including your original comment. You might be trying too hard.
Edit: you still haven’t answered my original question either.
Yes, it’s about characterizing all accusations of antisemitism as being a “false flag” before any discussion happens. How can you know what will be said in future discussions? If all accusations of antisemitism in all future discussions are preemptively declared “false flags” that’s a declaration that antisemitism no longer exists.
You may have been on the internet too long. The internet is filled with rationalizations for hate speech and you might have bought into some of them. The “anti-zionists” talk like antisemites, act like antisemites… take some to to consider whether anti-zionism is just a rebranding of antisemitism. Consider that all of the usual antisemites like Candace Owens are saying the exact same antisemitic conspiracy theories, but they’re careful to use the word “zionist” where they used to say “jews”. Consider that the people JD Vance has been talking to indicate the usual anti-semites that have now rebranded themselves as anti-zionists are being folded into the American fascist movement.
In these times it’s important to establish some red lines you refuse to cross. Because they don’t start with “Hitler was right” on day one. They make you hate a certain group of people and then expand that group over time. Fascists are pushing “anti-zionist” rhetoric, there’s been a rise in attacks on synagogues and there’s been a massacre of Jews celebrating Hanukkah. How long can you deny that these events aren’t connected to the “anti-zionist” rhetoric you’re seeing? You may believe there’s a distinction between zionists and jews, but it’s very obvious there’s a lot of people committing violent acts that don’t care about that distinction.
Why should I care about your rationalizations more than I care about the fact that “anti-zionist” rhetoric is resulting in violence against Jews? To me, if your rhetoric results in violence against Jews, your rhetoric is antisemitc no matter what you call it. Just more racist dog whistling by racist assholes.
Why should I care about your rationalizations more than I care about the fact that “anti-zionist” rhetoric is resulting in violence against Jews? To me, if your rhetoric results in violence against Jews, your rhetoric is antisemitc no matter what you call it.
Sorry for being more literate than you.
Literate people dont regurgitate the same sentence twice. You talk like a politician. Im not trying to belittle you, upset you or anything. But im not kidding when I say Donald Trump makes more sense in his mad ramblings on Twitter or truth social than what you ended up saying.
There is a deliberate effort to have Israel equal the Jewish faith, so any criticism of the state can be ignored through calls of antisemitism. It’s transparent, part of the Israeli governments playbook and exactly what this meme is about.
I’d also like to point out that you specifically, Spacecowboy, have done some BLATANT genocide denial in the past, so it feels particularly hollow coming from you.
The only one being mislabeled in this meme is the EU. Ukraine is actually defending themselves form an invader (Israel is bombing civilians basically for fun at this point, Hamas is no real threat to them.)
Now who’s in denial? Do you deny the acts committed by Hamas on October 7? Many people were saying they were no threat before that day. Now you’re saying it again.
Do you consider what Hamas dead on October 7 to be genocide? Why not?
I uh… what? Is this a joke?
I don’t know you tell me. Are the current efforts to zionist wash all of the old antisemitic tropes a joke? I’d think after a bunch of Jews got massacred in Australia y’all would realize antisemitism is real, it’s global, and maybe it’s not a joke.
I dont think there’s a single person here that would say antisemitism is fake. But a blanket “Your an antisemitic a-hole” for anyone that has a differing opinion is literally the same thing, just with religion removed.
Im not saying thats what you are doing, because both your comment and reply have deeply confused me. I dont like to assume withiut at least some level of confirmation, and I never got my answer anyway…
Ah so you recognize antisemitism is real. Good for you. Do you also recognize that there’s a deliberate effort to make antisemitism acceptable by preemptively discrediting all claims of antisemitism?
That’s what the meme is about isn’t it? The point is that “it’s ok to say whatever you want, antisemitism isn’t real.” You’re being front loaded with the idea that if anyone says something is antisemitic that person should automatically be discredited.
If all accusations of antisemitism are false, that logically means antisemitism isn’t real.
A very insidious tactic they’re using here isn’t it?
What? The meme is clearly about using antisemitism as a false flag to shut down arguments.
You may have been on the internet too long, you should take some time to yourself. You have used the word ‘antisemitism’ 11 times in our comment chain alone, including your original comment. You might be trying too hard.
Edit: you still haven’t answered my original question either.
Yes, it’s about characterizing all accusations of antisemitism as being a “false flag” before any discussion happens. How can you know what will be said in future discussions? If all accusations of antisemitism in all future discussions are preemptively declared “false flags” that’s a declaration that antisemitism no longer exists.
You may have been on the internet too long. The internet is filled with rationalizations for hate speech and you might have bought into some of them. The “anti-zionists” talk like antisemites, act like antisemites… take some to to consider whether anti-zionism is just a rebranding of antisemitism. Consider that all of the usual antisemites like Candace Owens are saying the exact same antisemitic conspiracy theories, but they’re careful to use the word “zionist” where they used to say “jews”. Consider that the people JD Vance has been talking to indicate the usual anti-semites that have now rebranded themselves as anti-zionists are being folded into the American fascist movement.
In these times it’s important to establish some red lines you refuse to cross. Because they don’t start with “Hitler was right” on day one. They make you hate a certain group of people and then expand that group over time. Fascists are pushing “anti-zionist” rhetoric, there’s been a rise in attacks on synagogues and there’s been a massacre of Jews celebrating Hanukkah. How long can you deny that these events aren’t connected to the “anti-zionist” rhetoric you’re seeing? You may believe there’s a distinction between zionists and jews, but it’s very obvious there’s a lot of people committing violent acts that don’t care about that distinction.
Why should I care about your rationalizations more than I care about the fact that “anti-zionist” rhetoric is resulting in violence against Jews? To me, if your rhetoric results in violence against Jews, your rhetoric is antisemitc no matter what you call it. Just more racist dog whistling by racist assholes.
Dude this is a bot or troll account. Its impossible to write this much and say absolutely nothing.
Sorry for being more literate than you.
Literate people dont regurgitate the same sentence twice. You talk like a politician. Im not trying to belittle you, upset you or anything. But im not kidding when I say Donald Trump makes more sense in his mad ramblings on Twitter or truth social than what you ended up saying.
There is a deliberate effort to have Israel equal the Jewish faith, so any criticism of the state can be ignored through calls of antisemitism. It’s transparent, part of the Israeli governments playbook and exactly what this meme is about.
I’d also like to point out that you specifically, Spacecowboy, have done some BLATANT genocide denial in the past, so it feels particularly hollow coming from you.
The only one being mislabeled in this meme is the EU. Ukraine is actually defending themselves form an invader (Israel is bombing civilians basically for fun at this point, Hamas is no real threat to them.)
Now who’s in denial? Do you deny the acts committed by Hamas on October 7? Many people were saying they were no threat before that day. Now you’re saying it again.
Do you consider what Hamas dead on October 7 to be genocide? Why not?
You insinuate any push back against Israel is antisemitism, while having very vocally denied the genocide. It’s very easy to see through.
You insinuate that all antisemitism is false. It’s very easy to see through.