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That title is a bit misleading. Reddit mods might have stopped protesting, but the news of the implosion was quite significant. The existence of Lemmy is a testament to this. I don’t think their IPO is going to be as strong as they had hoped. That financial impact is quite opposite of the victory they claim to have achieved.
Also, the posts on Reddit and the responses have declined in quality in my opinion.
the post quality sincerely feels reminiscent of when I started using reddit a decade ago, might as well be posting rage comics again. so much vile shit is making it to the front page too.
glad I finally got the kick I needed to jump ship, i’m really enjoying what I’ve seen on lemmy and hexbear
Ah, if that was what you’re after, it’s too bad you missed the wave of old memes that happened on !memes@lemmy.ml.
oh no, I appreciate the ironic ‘wow look at this cringe old posts’, I couldn’t hack reliving 2013
The question is, numbers-wise, how many of us actually left reddit?
Couple of hundred thousand maybe
They pissed off a lot of their quality submitters, who either moved somewhere else or decided the hell with it, and they’re doing other things now entirely.
When I upped stakes and left, I did indeed up my stakes. I torched all of my posts and comments, which means that, yes, all of my typical reddit bickering is lost to time now. But so is all the specialty knowledge about specific topics I’d put into posts and comments which are now gone from their platform entirely. Outside of the usual cats/porn/vidya/political bickering cycle on reddit, a large portion of what made it valuable to people was (were?) all the niche subs full of knowledgeable people posting information and answering questions about whatever the topic was. The reddit administration didn’t just piss off the power mods, it pissed off all the people contributing to those subs as well.
I’ve been browsing Reddit logged out and haven’t seen even one thing that made me want to comment since the apps got shut down. It really does seem like the content quality has tanked.
Possibly we should all occasionally contribute shit posts to Reddit.
The existence of Lemmy is a testament to this.
Lemmy has existed before the reddit shitshow.
I think I won. I found a place I like more than reddit. Maybe we won even. We all got this place right here now. It’s nice.
Maybe reddit won. Maybe they wanted to get rid of us and succeeded. Could be easier to milk the platform for shareholders after getting rid of anyone who would protest beforehand.
Maybe it doesn’t matter because neither side needs the other anymore. Both sides changed and don’t fit back together anymore.
Certainly declaring a winner in this situation is dumb.
I agree. If Reddit won, the victory was pyrrhic if anything. Their whole plan to end 3rd party app support could have been just a small road bump if they had just done it transparently and planned it with reasonably thought out timelines. They instead chose to do a whole front flip over it and get everyone mad, tanking their brand while trying to make it look like nothing happened.
Anyways, congratulations on your victory. Here’s your prize: ❤
Ex-Apollo/Reddit 10+ years here. I really can’t understand why they didn’t offer API users the ability to pay for the add-free access they were afforded by their apps (if that’s what it was supposed to be about). Did they really think that they could force people to use the dumpster-fire that is the official Reddit app? …at the cost of losing a significant, or at least active, percentage of their user base? That’s insane. I haven’t logged in to my Reddit account since and I no longer visit old.reddit.com. Appreciate going cold turkey isn’t for everyone, but … fuck it. When social media companies stop allowing you to view their content in the way you enjoy, it should tell you how valued you are by them.
It’s fairly simple: a social media platform’s value isn’t just a matter of income but also of potential income and how well it can control its users behavior. Preventing users from curating their experience creates more potential avenues for advertising.
What advertisers want are eyeballs (and user data to better their strategies). The API being open means Reddit can’t control where all the eyeballs on their platform are looking, which reduces the value of Reddit.
What advertisers want from reddit, and what will increase reddit’s valuation, is for reddit to say “We can control where 100% of our user’s eyeballs are and what they’re looking at 100% of the time”. For example, that’s why the Facebook feed straight up ignores your settings and shows you whatever it wants.
The API access could make them money but not nearly as much as as they’ll make by demonstrating to advertisers how much control over the user experience they have.
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I don’t need to win or anything I gave up on Reddit. What’s funny is that I donate to Lemmy and never ever bought Reddit premium.
Certainly declaring a winner in this situation is dumb.
It’s not dumb. It’s the canary in the coal mine. It’s showing that people don’t actually give a shit and will continually subject themselves to more and more abuse rather than simply moving to a new platform.
And it’s showing this to other corporations who continue to enshittify the internet.
Imo it is dumb that media always frames anything happening like a sports event. This binary win or lose narrative rarely if ever captures the complexity of a situation. It’s the strongest in the US where sensationalism is striving to become an art form due to the two party system. When there are only two competing sites politics can quickly feel like a sports event. And democracy dies to lack of actual discussion and lack of options.
The reddit protest caused thousands of power users and some of the best content creators to leave the site.
The reddit protest caused lemmy to grow exponentially for weeks on end.
The reddit protest caused well known third party app developers to leave reddit and retool for lemmy.
Next time reddit fucks up, and it will, when everyone is over there circlejerking about “well are there any good reddit alternatives?”
The answer will be “there is now, and it’s called lemmy.” And lemmy will again grow exponentially.
Hardly seems like a win, long term. Sure, reddit beat the remaining mod hold outs. They didn’t beat us.
At the beginning I was going to Reddit on and off. Currently, I just stick to Lemmy. Also “Sync for Lemmy” made me incredibly happy.
But in the short term, spaz will have made a killing by selling the company. And in the long term, the investors will be the ones holding the losses as the site haemorrhage users.
it’s fine. they can just come here
Yes they did win.
Nah, I won. We won. We found better platforms like Lemmy, Mastodon, and KBin.
I’m not going back to reddit, there’s simply no need.
Sadly, I still have to go back to Reddit since it’s the only way to get information for certain niche communities
Why haven’t you created those communities here and go post over there that they exist outside Reddit?
Been thinking of doing that, but haven’t because:
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I don’t think I’m active enough to create a community nor do I know how to manage it properly and allow it to grow. And,
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Usually I only go on Reddit for information I need right away or as soon as possible. So, Reddit is still more convenient than creating a new community for that topic.
But who knows. Maybe one day I’ll get around to making community.
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Probably not a big deal, as long as you don’t log in
The whole API fiasco caused me to delete my Reddit account, after being in the site since 2013 :)
Exactly. Reddit can suck it.
I haven’t really been back since my 3rd party of app shutdown. It wasn’t some big moral protest on my part. I just have no easy access to a good app for it now.
Haven’t been back since sync left. Now that I just got sync beta for lemmy, I’m happy again.
Such a small amount of users on Reddit submit links or comment. The thing that they “won” was splitting a portion of their community of power users who maintain and create the content on their site from the masses who simply consume and doom scroll the main page. I am happy with the type of discussion that is happening on Lemmy, I don’t need a post to have 7000 upvotes or a comment to have 1500 votes and a shit load of coins attached to it to make it valuable or interesting.
Yeah exactly like look at this post with 300+ comments on lemmy, once you get past a threshold it’s just more noise.
I’m a former 140k karma reddit poster and haven’t posted since the event. Will never post there again but will post here for sure.
Reddit might have won, but i definitely did too. It made me finally leave Reddit and got me here. And who knows, perhaps one day Reddit will drown in its enshittification enough for it to vanish into nothing but the great history of the internet. Then, at last, we will still be here.
The thing I’ll still hop over to reddit for are the smaller niche communities for certain hobbies or even specific products. That’s one thing the insane userbase numbers on reddit is good for, these very small niche interests are able to leech off that. In a few of those cases the subs have had Discord servers for a while, which I actually use more than the subreddits even before they made the API changes.
I think over time the reddit experience, for people who actually want to comment and participate, will continue to become more shitty.
I believe if there’s one community that will take forever (if at all) to move to the fediverse, it’s the manga/anime community.
Subs like r/anime and r/OshiNoKo are as active as ever - especially during r/Place, pay attention and you’ll see a lot of anime mascots in the canvas back when it was around. Anime/mangas also tend to attract the younger crowd which tend not to care about the protest anyways, from what I’ve seen.
I agreee wholeheartedly. And same, I am here now.
Reddit did way worse than losing and worse than dying directly.
Reddit is dead inside and that’s all that matters to me.
The few times I’ve been back since the initial protest I’ve noticed content quality on r/all is considerably worse.
It isn’t dead, but Digg didn’t die overnight either. Reddit is absolutely dying.
Digg*
I was part of the Digg exodus to Reddit, and now I’m here.
Fixed. Thanks! That’s what I get for typing on mobile.
When I’ve checked the front page it’s like 15 year humor has taken over. R/unexpected top post was some dumb “NSFW” gif with a breakup and a girl saying how she loved a dude and him saying she didn’t give him pussy, "🤦so cringe. All my subs were borked, not worth the effort to rebuild, I’d rather build new in lemmy.
They’re 100% botting to keep it “alive” but it’s a facade. Happy to watch it go up.
Tanked reputation, loyal user base gone like the window, no 3rd party support what so ever and the face of the company making a total ass out of himself. Yeah sure, if you call that a ‘win’
They still have a lot of traffic. So yeah, they did win.
But you know who else won? The Fediverse. This place feels really active now and has the added benefit of feeling just a bit more wholesome.
Winning should not be judged within the span of a single month. Much of Reddit’s power users left, meaning the minority that posts the most content was decimated. Reddit will still have lots of traffic but it means they will decline to something where memes are circulated instead of made, like 9gag. That’s not winning by a lot of metrics.
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I really hope Lemmy and the fediverse achieves a certain critical mass, to have enough users for a nice active community. Im perfectly fine for reddit to stay number one though, to attract all the toxic idiots and the cesspool they create in their wake.
Reddit corporate claims victory
LOL, fucking pathetic.
Platforms don’t rise and fall in a single day. Reddit used to be obscure. The fewer people go and make content there and instead just post her, the more Reddit dies through attrition. And as more active users are on Lemmy, the more it grows.
Lemmy has already hit critical mass to sustain itself so from here on out it will only grow. It surpassed the danger zone where engagement wouldn’t be enough to bring people back. On top of that, the best lemmy clients already blow Reddit’s official client out of the water. Now all that needs to happen is for more communities to grow.
I am eagerly anticipating their article on MySpace.
And to learn whether such articles come about via financial incentives or death threats.
If reddit won, then why am I here?
Reddit doesn’t want you and me. They want zombie-scrolling. They want to be TikTok when the TikTok ban comes.
Did Spez write this article? Reddit didn’t win. Trying to go back there has resulted in literally no answers for anything. It’s just shills and that’s it. I couldn’t get answers to things anymore on some pretty major subreddits. So, glad I’m staying with Lemmy.
Did you read the article though? The title is more of a dark statement on how reddit will always have the final word.
Major social media platforms don’t just explode and go extinct, they slowly slip into irrelevancy.
Digg still exists, no-one cares. Tumblr still exists, no-one cares. Myspace still exists, no-one cares. The list goes on and on.
Exactly. I no longer visit Reddit since the incident. I know I’m one person but there are others just like me. Fuck Reddit. I mean digg. Or do I mean Reddit? Ceo is a loser.
The question is, what percentage of the 90:9:1 ratio they lose?
The 90% being those who just use it The 9% being those who engage and comment The 1% being the content creators.
Reddit would seem to have lost a lot of the 1% and a fair chunk of the 9%.
The 90% will take at least a year to understand that there is not any new engaging content being created.
The thing is, the website you listed have direct alternatives. Right now with the current format Reddit is the only big player so moving away from it will be very hard. Tumblr user migrated to Twitter, and we haven’t seen the same thing happened to Lemmy at that scale yet.
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Yeah, I don’t even think about Reddit anymore, who cares. If people want to waste their time on that shit site fine with me.
I don’t see how reddit “won”. They may have gotten their way by raking devs and users over the coals, but they didn’t win. They got their way. Now it remains to see if any service will usurp them in the future.
Sure they won. Their calculations were correct. They lost some users, but not enough to hurt them
I want to thank Spez for screwing up his platform. Reddit became to toxic for me a couple years ago so I took a break. Last summer Zuckerberg gave me a 30 day ban so instead of using a nerfed account I just went back to Reddit instead. So when the protest happened I had no issues with leaving the site.
Lemmy is fire, I’m enjoying this platform much more, every day it gets better.
Leaving/left Facebook for Mastodon back a couple of years ago when the whistle blower revealed their dialing of the “outrage algorithm” and the true width and depth of data capture. This was when (and why) they rebranded to Meta. I’ve only gotten a few of my FB folks to give Fedi a try, but I’m effing loving it. Lemmy and Mastodon are growing and I am here for it. This is what social media should be and how it should work. I’ve found so many awesome people through Mastodon I would have never found on FB or Twitter. The cool things I’ve seen on Lemmy I probably would have never seen on Reddit. I just feel more connected on here than when I was jumping from corporate walled garden to corporate walled garden.
I tried mastodon before I found Lemmy, then I figured out it was a toss twitter, I have no interest in twitter so I’m done with that.
Most things don’t have to be for most everyone… welcome to the Fediverse!
Reddit became too toxic for me around 2014. That’s when they started replacing default subs with shit like r/sports, trying to court the most general audience possible, then forcing everyone to exist in the same space and expecting it to go well.
Same thing happened with Digg. Digg went from tech-news to general-news around 2007… 2008 we hit a US election year and the site became a cesspool. The Diggnation Podcast was hosted by the site’s founders, they had to talk about the top 10 digg posts each week… they repeatedly had to feign interest in UFO and Ron Paul stories at that point.
