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    1 month ago

    So yeah, you haven’t really responded to the statement that your position is elitist, or at least smartassery that no linguist actually supports.

    maybe it was proposed because ‘ё’ denotes a very particular sound?

    Indeed. And then it wasn’t made generally mandatory, and then the Russian language continued to work fine.

    Which, notably, Western languages can never quite approximate

    Why would that be remotely notable here? We’re talking about Russian spelling of Russian language.

    perhaps because the letters are in a different position?

    And what is that position that makes the difference?



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    1 month ago

    In no way am I elitist about it

    I think that equating respect for language with usage of the letter and vague guilt-tripping of people who don’t use it is elitist.

    the replacement of ‘ё’ with ‘е’

    It’s the other way around, actually, ‘e’ is the original letter and sound, the sound changed by the 18th century or so (as far as I’m aware) and then the modified letter was proposed but never made generally mandatory. People aren’t replacing anything, they’re writing same as always.

    ‘его’ is at least a typical consistent rule, mapping to the pronunciation ‘ево’ in the same places in various words

    The name Егор doesn’t follow it, but моего and сегодня do. Why? You have to explain the etymology of сегодня at the very least to make sense of it, undermining the consistency.


  • If you had read books in Russian, you’d notice that basically no Russian writer after Karamzin (who IIRC proposed the ë letter himself) “respected” the Russian language enough to use the letter. It’s legitimate for you to use it (all the better for me as a foreign speaker), but it’s not something to act elitist about.

    Whether Russian will go in the direction of English depends on how its pronunciation develops, for now it’s still pretty close to the spelling, although there are words and forms such as “моего, сегодня” that are pronounced as “моево, севодня”. I wonder how many people would support changing this spelling.