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Pornhub goes dark in Arkansas after age verification law kicks in::Pornhub operator MindGeek has blocked all users in Arkansas from the site after the state’s new age verification law went into effect.
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small gov party btw
Small government taxation of the rich party
I know a lot of Republicans that hate how both parties have become. We need some independents to vote for. There’s a lot of us that are caught in the middle. I agree with the small govt part of traditional Republicans, and agree with a lot of what the left has. For whatever reason. All we get is some bullshit extreme from either side.
What about normal ass people that just want people to leave them the fuck alone, pay taxes, keep their roads working, and stop wasting (literally stealing) our fucking money
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To be fair, porn is a little lower on the “first they came for the -----” list than he was probably expecting. He likely thought he had a few more marginalized groups to take the fall before the leopards started eating HIS face. But yeah, reap what you sow.
I dunno, I would feel weird watching porn with my kids.
Oh no. I’m in Arkansas.
Guess I’ll turn on the VPN.
I’m in Arkansas
I’m sorry.
I grew up there. The northern part of the state is honestly one of the prettiest parts of our country. It is also filled with some of the most vile people. Vile people from everywhere else go there to retire and add to the smegma pot.
the smegma pot.
That phrase evokes quite the image.
add to the smegma pot
Good lord.
You just described basically the whole south.
It is a beautiful state, especially the part in the ozark mountains. But there is no way I could live there because of the people. It also lacks a single great city (Little Rock is a dump).
Me too :( I hate it here (For reasons other than Pornhub)
Oh no. I’m in Arkansas.
That’s putting it mildly
Very Pretty Neice/Nephew?
We sleep with our cousins here. Not our nieces or nephews. That’s Alabama.
The party of small government.
For a party that prides itself on being all about “small government” and “no nanny state,” this is some surprisingly big government nanny state shenanigans
The small government libertarian types were lowered in priority in the party after two decades of people pandering to them because there’s basically nobody out there that’s a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.
Trump and his grip on the GOP are evidence again of that same thing. There are more “conservatives” that are actually fiscal liberals and social conservatives than there are right libertarians.
The rich would (for the most part) love to get the tax breaks and allow people to do whatever they want socially, but that (and virtue signaling) are not enough to rile up the fascist voters and evangelicals anymore.
They’ve crossed the Rubicon with Trump and now it’s full on censorship and other Nazi tactics to take us back to the good old (non-existent) days.
I’m just going to sit over here in my fiscally conservative and socially liberal corner.
(Although, I’m good with some level of safety nets still)
Who in their right mind would expect a free porn site to go to this level of hassle?
Or is this a puritanical measure in disguise?
It’s the second one. I saw article where they talked how Florida was the first to pass it, pornhub put time and money into developing what they needed to comply and saw a 90% decrease in traffic because nobody wants to hand over their ID for free porn.
Wouldn’t even want to hand over my ID for a paid service.
After MindGeek started complying with the Louisiana law earlier this year, the company said traffic dropped by 80 percent.
It’s literally in the linked article lol
Pornhub would make more money simply starting a vpn service rather than try to gather IDs
They already do
Ohhhh fuck is it viewer’s age verification… I assumed it was the people in the porn… As if this is gonna stop horny kids from seeing porn
It’s to stop people from watching porn, they don’t care about kids.
yeah, the smart teenager is going to be charging the adults in his life $50 to get their porn working again.
Pretty sure PH already requires ID for people in porn. That’s why they wiped half the uploads some years ago pending accounts verifying themselves.
When this happened in Utah a few months ago, Google searches for VPN increased in like over 1000%.
The best Free VPN IMO is ProtonVPN,
I don’t think it’s especially disguised…
VPN industry lobbyists disguised as morality crusaders if you like tin foil hats as much as I do. Most likely not though, just people who feel the need to control how others spend their time and precious bodily fluids.
Dang, if kids just had some kind of guardians that would be responsible for their media consumption while every media device out there had basic functionality to support such supervision.
It is completely unrealistic to control kids media consumption after a certain age without also infringing on their rights to privacy. Basically, you can’t do it right as a parent. You are either helicopter parenting or you aren’t controlling enough. It’s funny how we shift blame entirely to parents on this while ignoring that it’s an impossible task. And I am not even a parent.
It’s not hard to talk to your kids about porn or the existence of sex. Masturbation is ok and natural.
I think unhealthy sexual behavior comes from denying that masturbation and sex are perfectly normal and healthy activities. It’s important as a parent to let your kids know about the potential risks (STDs, pregnancy, porn addiction) and to educate on consent. Give your kids a roadmap and advice, but don’t blanket ban or shame and they should be healthy about sex.
It needs to be done at school. Sex is a part of lives (we don’t have more humans without it.) By teaching kids about sex (in an age approprate way) they can learn how to have sex responsibilty, how to see the signs that someone has ill intentions (no one touches you there without permission etc…), as well as the importance of consent. Teens are going to have sex so we might as well prepare them for it.
Well, except the traditional parents don’t think that way or just won’t do it, so saying that doesn’t matter in the cultural context. I don’t think there’s a solution to that except moving to a place more aligned with our values.
Was that supposed to be a reaction to my comment? I was talking about expecting parents to supervise all and every media consumption of their children.
Healthy, open discussion contributes to a reduced need for parental controls and monitoring, but paired together parents have more than enough to help their kids develop into fully functioning humans.
You make it sound like without strict monitoring 24/7 kids will turn into porn addicts and lose all sense of all other facets of life.
The problem is that far right Catholic types won’t touch the subject on a personal level, and will try to abuse government to save themselves from what shouldn’t be but is an uncomfortable conversation.
?? Where do I make it sound like that?
Every phone and computer has parental control options that allow for as much control as you feel necessary. And obviously as you kids gets older you have to trust in your upbringing - but that’s also completely on you, to teach your kids to deal with modern media.
I’ve been using the parental controls to lock out FOX and other crap.
Sucks to suck.
No, not every phone and computer has parental control options. What about the PCs at libraries and schools? What about older siblings? Other students? Friends of the kid? It’s completely unrealistic to claim parents should just supervise every media usage.
People also aren’t robots where you put “upbringing” in and get predictable results. You can teach them all you want, unless you completely ignore all privacy rights of your children, you won’t be able to control their media consumption.
No, not every phone and computer has parental control options.
Which one don’t have one? And even if there are few - it’s not hard to get one with for your kids.
What about the PCs at libraries and schools?
Even in my day and age we had restricted access to things on our school pc - learning to get around it was the only useful thing I learned in those classes. But here the same, there are software solutions to control access on local machines.
What about older siblings? Other students? Friends of the kid?
What about them? They all also have parents or people responsible for them.
It’s completely unrealistic to claim parents should just supervise every media usage.
Because they should not. They should teach children to use media and gradually trust them more and more to make their own decisions. Like with everything else.
You can teach them all you want, unless you completely ignore all privacy rights of your children, you won’t be able to control their media consumption.
And as I said, you should not -you should teach them and then learn to trust them - that’s hard part of being a parent, you don’t have control over your childs life.
No real side in this debate because I don’t have kids and am basically an anti-natalist but I don’t think it’s terribly important to control kids media access above a certain age anyway.
It’s probably important to prevent them from accidentally seeing irrelevant filth, and may make sense to prevent them from accessing certain stuff before they’re ten or eleven. But I had near unfettered access to the wild world of the Internet from a young age and I don’t think it made a big negative difference.
I personally think it was important to my development to be able to explore things on my own terms in the relatively safe way of accessing pages on the Internet.
I do think, however, that social media is likely riskier than media consumption for children in certain age groups, but most parents seem to be a-ok with their kids mainlining that and worried instead that they may accidentally see a nipple.
Which one don’t have one?
The ones I mentioned directly after… Please, do not quote out of context.
I feel like people miss the context of the original content and put words in my mouth. I was referring to the claim that parents can “simply” supervise, and should supervise, all media consumption of their children. Which I argue is impossible without infringing on the children’s rights of privacy.
It’s like people misinterpret my point with intent. Or there is a huge language barrier I can not comprehend.
You can not supervise every media consumption of your children. That is all I wanted to say. I didn’t even comment upon whether or not and how good it works (or not) to teach your children about responsible media consumption. That’s a whole different topic.
The ones I mentioned directly after… Please, do not quote out of context.
So none. All devices have the capability to control access.
Which I argue is impossible without infringing on the children’s rights of privacy.
But that whole conversation is in context of governmental control vs. parental control. In my opinion governmental control infringes much more on everyones rights in this case. So obviously your statement is interpreted in this context, not in vacuum.
Parents do not have access to parental control on devices of other children, other adults, school, libraries, etc.
Things you aren’t legally allowed to do in Arkansas: watch porn, have an abortion, read, write, or wipe your ass.
I get the impression not a lot of people were reading, writing, or wiping there even when it was legal.
I wanna see over the next year how rape and sexual harassment rates change.
Oh man, if only we had statistics from countries where porn is banned, or some sort of scientific study from multiple countries where porn was banned and then unbanned to see what the change was…
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101130111326.htm
Spoiler: They’ll probably go up slightly.
Not sure what the spirit is behind this comment, but for all the cases that could be made in advocacy for porn, I don’t think this should be one. If porn is the only thing keeping rape cases from drastically increasing, there is something much more broken in our society, and access to porn won’t fix that.
Edit: Holy shit, guys. I thought poor reading comprehension and inflammatory dog-piling was something that wouldn’t be so commonplace, after moving here from Reddit. Where did I say I support anything about what these pieces of legislation are enforcing? Every single response I’ve gotten so far has been arguing different points of discussion, of which my comment has nothing to do with. All I said was “GIVE THE RAPISTS THEIR PORN SO WE CAN BE SAFE!!!” isn’t exactly a strong angle to approach the issue from. One user is even sharing a study that includes data showing that giving pedophiles access to child pornography reduces rates of sexual assault with children. Like, no shit, but is the lack of child pornography really the core issue at that point? Don’t bother replying to me if you just want to put words in my mouth, and assume my stances on topics which I so far haven’t shared.
Do you lock your door at night or when you leave? You shouldn’t have to, but you currently need to. So it would be stupid not to.
The spirit is quite clearly that rape and abuse numbers will likely go up slightly anywhere porn is banned.
Nobody said “drastically.”
Holy shit I never thought I’d get to use line before.
“Anyway, walk to your cars in pairs tonight. Rape’s up 8 percent”
You’d rather rape rates be higher because the knob we know we can turn is slightly distasteful?
Edit: GP is a coward and edited their comment rather than try to defend their pro-rape stance.
No spirit at all. Genuinely want to see if / how these change.
I have a feeling they wont.
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I am utterly unsurprised that there is evidence of a correlation between access to pornography and rates of sex-related crimes. However, I stand by what I said.
“We shouldn’t use evidence that banning porn has a potentially deleterious effect to make a decision on banning porn. We should use The Jesus!”
It’s not OUR society that you’re responding to. It’s NUMEROUS societies.
The rest of the world does exist, ya know.
You are just shoveling words into my mouth, but go off dude. Hope you feel better.
Well, that basically is an age check. People of Arkansas are obviously not old enough to deal with porn when they support a government that produces such stupid laws.
I remember reading about this before. This is so stupid. Making people verify with offical documents… People are going to get their documents stolen so much more now. Nice job Arkansas!
i thought american don’t have ID card? what kind document is official document?
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They do like every other country…
You mean that every American citizen is automatically issued a photocard ID free of charge after they reach a certain age?
Because that’s how it works in most of Europe for example. Some countries mandate that you must carry it at all times in case the police requires you to identify yourself. You use this card to vote, and you can also travel freely within the EU with it (loads of people don’t even own a passport for this reason).
You can 100% get and ID in the US (might be state dependant but all states i’ve lived in have had this option) that is not a drivers license. It looks similar but you just cant drive with it. It can be used for anything else like buying alcohol or as a governemnt id for something. I dont think theres a fee either, if there is its like $20 for the paperwork. And it is not just issued. You do have to go to the dmv or something.
You might be right about this one. I myself don’t have a ID-card but use my bank card as identification.
I think we’ve lost thr plot a bit. Yes, the US is one of thr only countries without a national ID, but that’s sort of beside the point.
Whatever ID you onr is forced to use, national or not, the issue is the state tyrannically policing teens behavior.
The UK does not require you to have any ID. it is not your job to prove who you are. this does lead to a number of interesting problems.
The government doesn’t go out of it’s way to give you one, but they usually aren’t difficult to get. Driver’s licenses and passports are commonly used as ID. Many states will also issue a state ID card, though the process for getting one varries by state.
Driving, or at least being able to drive, is so ubiquitous that nearly everyone over 16 has some kind of driver’s license. That’s especially true of rural areas like Arkansas.
For these kinds of things “official document” typically means a driver’s license, passport, state ID, military ID, etc. Anything issued by a state or federal government that has your name, date of birth, and photo.
Freedum loving repubeicans inbound to other states?
They already go to the more liberal states for their abortions and their weed. Might as well download some porn while on the dispensary wifi.
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Vpn searches bout to go upFTFY
Won’t someone think of the horny Arkansans?
Seriously the Republicans are beyond the pale.
Reps are using The Handmaid’s Tale as an instruction manual.
Arkansans
Arkansawns? While pronounceable, I don’t think that is the correct way to personify that word.
I’m leaning towards Arkansinians
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Well that was my best guess haha.
We usually say Arkansan.
Source: Am Arkansan
It’s downright hypocritical that MindGeek has been outright supportive of the UK government’s efforts to push age verification checks on porn and have even tried to lobby our country to implement AgeID as the solution.
But the moment US states start demanding that they verify user ages, they start geoblocking.
I’m pretty sure their main issue is that they don’t want to be the ones doing the age verification. Louisiana set up a state run verification system, and pornhub has continued to operate their site in the state. I don’t want porn sites to have my ID info.
Didn’t the company also previously claim they were unable to effectively combat child porn?
Classy lot.
No, they claimed they weren’t able to let amateurs post and prevent child porn. So they took down an enormous amount of content.
Is this a scheme of VPN providers? Do they pay off politicians?
There are still tons of porn sites that don’t give a fuck about those state laws and don’t comply. No VPN needed, just browse to an unblocked site.
They can’t force compliance of foreign hosts anyway
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