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As much fun as Sync is (and while I appreciate creators want to get paid)…
We’re talking like $15-30(!). That’s steep for a phone app. All this money stuff is pushing me back to Connect and Jerboa.
I wish Sync well. But I think I’m done with it already.
Voyager is fantastic IMO. wefwef.app , it is a web app, it will even put am icon for itself on your phone so it feels just like a regular app. Works really great, and is really fast.
Voyager is also available at m.lemmy.world since I see you are using lemmy.world
Interesting, I had no idea, thanks!
What do you mean? Is there a distinction between lemmy.world and m.lemmy.world?
It’s also available in the Android Play Store and will be on the iOS App Store soon.
Given how much time I spent on Sync with Reddit, I imagine the ultra one-time price ($99) will end up being a dollar per hour in a few months and just go down from there.
A dollar per hour for entertainment is generally a good deal to me.
I think that asking to be paid for your work is totally fine (albeit I myself made my lemmy app completely free and opensource, simply because its just my hobby project), but its a rather different story when you provide app for open source, nonprofit venture-free platform and start to inject ads and trackers into it. Its goes against the entire idea of free decentralised platform and makes it closer to profit-focused app like reddit/threads/etc imo
I would pay extra to not have to hear people complain about a choice no one is forcing them to make
Do what works for you, and let other people do the same
Block this subreddit for a while I guess, check in after a month.
this subreddit
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No kidding. Bunch of crybabies
It would be a lot better if it was a true donation, since Lemmy itself doesn’t have ads. The developer also has very minimal fees to cover, so it makes no sense to add ads ontop of a free service and have a steep price to remove it (yes, 20+ dollars for an app toconly remove ads is steep, look around at other app prices). This was not the case for Sync on Reddit, it was a lot cheaper.
It just seems unnecessarily greedy by the developer
Hey, man’s gotta eat. And there’s many roads to Rome if you really don’t want to pay the developer to remove the ads.
Man’s gotta eat, but he doesn’t have to be gluttonous
Then don’t use sync
Yea I don’t anymore, switched to Voyager since it’s on google play store now
I would like to point out that @ljdawson@lemmy.world has been very forward to the LW team and he has our full support. And while Lemmy itself doesn’t have ads and Lemmy World is running on donations and volunteers that doesn’t mean that every developer should be forced to do charity-work. This is his full-time job and he provided plenty of choices for those who don’t want to pay or who don’t want to pay the full price for Ultra. If that’s not enough, nobody is forcing you to do anything.
people seem to forget that the dev wants to work FULL TIME on the app, you are paying for having great updates quick bug fixes etc.
It doesn’t feels like a choice in the modern world. It is either awful experience with shit ads or normal experience with paying. Is it that hard to understand people?
This post lead to me to send 20 USD to the Jerboa/Lemmy devs.
Happy to hear that, these devs need to eat too right
They need to earn more than the dev of sync who don’t split the revenue with the Lemmy dev and the instances. The split of the revenues is fair for everyone. Lemmy devs, instances and Sync dev receive something for their work.
He is literally making money on the back of the people donating. Without these donator his business doesn’t make any sense and wouldn’t exist.
I am pretty sure some of his revenue goes to lemmy and instances because it isn’t a full free app
I hope the dev donates a fair share…
“Adding” ads to a FOSS service is pretty sinister especially if it only cost $3.99/year to remove them from the Sync for Reddit app.
Lemmy could use some white hat bug hunters to find security vulnerabilities before malicious actors do, like Mozilla helping patch Mastodon’s TootRoot.
No one is adding ads to Lemmy. Sync only puts ads in itself. It’s pedantic but it’s important to get it right.
Reddit had considerably more users when Sync was created- so smaller amount per person over larger user base would pay for the bill.
With Lemmy, user base isn’t there yet to create that same economies of scale - so to pay for the dev’s time - each person would need to pay a larger amount.
You can’t compare Reddit and Lemmy. They are different with a different model. Lemmy rely on donation. Reddit has ads and investors.
The dev of Sync did money with Reddit but Reddit had a source of revenue.
Lemmy relying on donation doesn’t have this source of revenue. This is why splitting the revenue of Sync between Lemmy’s devs, instances and Sync’s dev is fair.
If someone donate to the Lemmy’s devs and/or instances, this person allows the sync’s dev to make money on this donation. This isn’t fair.
The sync model with Lemmy is predatory at best and parasitic at least.
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Have you considered people are mad because:
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Same purchase was a lot cheaper when it was Reddit.
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Reddit already ran ads, so having an app who ran ads of its own was fine.
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Monoteizing a FOSS project in a way that doesn’t help the maintainers of that project may not be seen as ethical.
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Having a subscription for features that don’t cost anything to serve (highlighting users can be done locally for instance) might feel like an artificial limitation to drive sales.
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The fact that it launched with both a transaction (not a small one, as it costs more than any non-professional app I bought) and a subscription service in literally the first beta of the app.
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Combination of these with all the alternatives being all-free (both in price and as in freedom) might make people think few times before paying for this app.
Personally, I really dislike the price, find subscription meh but I absolutely adore Sync’s UX. But honestly, without few things changing, I don’t see myself recommending Sync to friends.
Well said and reasoned. The vitriol above however, not so much. [Edit] Spelling.
My thoughts about your first few points:
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I, and many others it seems, think the Sync for Reddit app was priced almost too low. Only a few dollars for an app isn’t sustainable for the dev in the long run. I believe people using reddit sync with ads actually supported the dev more than people buying the app.
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The reddit API was free, so it technically didn’t have ads if you used some ad-free (FOSS) 3rd party app. Sync for lemmy isn’t any different in that sense.
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Sure, the lemmy devs and instances also need money to run the service. People are free to and should donate to them as well. Sync for lemmy, however, isn’t costing instances any more than FOSS apps.
The rest of your points are just personal preference, really. If you like the app, buy it or use it with ads. If you don’t like the app, use something else. Honestly surprised by how much hate an app no one is forcing people to use is getting.
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AUD $33.99. No thanks.
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Simple solution. Get DNS66 from the F-droid site (not the Play Store version that wants a subscription). That takes care of the ads in all my apps. It inserts itself like a VPN, filtering all Internet traffic, blocking the ad servers.
or NextDNS or Adguard
Personally I’m more for using a custom DNS server to block ads.
I was using Blokada 5, but found that it used a bit too much of my battery.
Now I just set my DNS to dns.adblock.com, and it gives me the same result.
Mullvad VPN also includes the ability to block all ads at the DNS level, so if you don’t already have a VPN (or if you’re not happy with your current one), I highly recommend it. Great VPN, great speed, great company.
Mozilla VPN uses Mullvad’s servers so it offers pretty much the same QoS but some of it goes to a non-profit that develops and supports Firefox, funds white hats finding and patching bugs in the Fediverse. and fights for an open web.
(It also features DNS-level ad blocking.)
Used DNS adguar before , now I use proton VPN which has it built in with netshield
Or RethinkDNS
WTF is this in CAD!?
So I just took a look because I paid 19cad for the remove ads option which was distinct from “sync ultra”.
I think part of what’s confusing is there was never previously a sync ultra lifetime price it was always just monthly or yearly. And sync pro was the lifetime price which was also out before ultra was a thing.
If you open the menu, above sync ultra is there a “remove ads” button with a more reasonable (lifetime/onetime) price?
According to Google that’s about 30.75CAD
The amounts are CAD. $134!?
Oh, sorry, I misunderstood - i though that was USD and you were asking how much it would be in CAD. My bad.
Honestly I think we all need to relax. Lemmy is a niche app that’s rising, and it’s one guy. I paid for ultra since it was cheaper than the pay for no ads option.
$29AUD or whatever it was per year for ultra is literally paying a dev once a year for their work, and to keep it updated and build features.
The outrage is really ridiculous considering how quickly the app was built, how decent the experience is and the realities of the real world right now.
Pay the cash, you’re not going to remember it by the time you’re paid next. For the job you did, producing something. Like this guy did.
Imho 15 eur is actually a fair price. In my country you can get a McDonald’s meal for that price that satisfies me once whereas Sync satisfies me everyday 😄. And 25 still seems okay to me for a nice app like this. I can imagine a lot of effort is put in this app. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I used to use sync pro for Reddit. I now have connect and sync for Lemmy installed. Connect seems better in every way? What features is it missing?
Just try sync for some time and you’ll notice a huge difference.
fr, the performance, look, features, customization of Sync for reddit were out of this world, I am sure this will continue for sync for lemmy too
Customization and polish, for one.
Just to check, when it was 15, was that possibly the annual cost for Ultra? Whereas this is the lifetime cost for removing ads only.
no, it was the remove ads, there is a different menu for the ultra I think
Ah fair enough - yeah, bit odd that. Not sure why it would change so soon.
It’s been $33.99 AUD since it was released.
$37.99 NZD here
It’s 21,99€ for me 🧐
He’s working on region pricing
Punishing us for asking for regional pricing.
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