Sad, but normal. I’ve never had an employer that would find it acceptable for their staff to leave two minutes early. They wouldn’t even accept us beginning to get ready to leave until our clock out time, because up to that point we are supposed to be working.
Two minutes doesn’t sound like a lot, but I suppose they see it differently to us, the wageslaves.
If 20 salaried staff members regularly leave work 2 minutes early, that’s 40 minutes of lost productivity/paying wages to staff that aren’t even there, per day. 3 hours 20 minutes per week, 10 hours a month.
That’s assuming they didn’t stop working a few minutes earlier in order to actually be at the door clocking out 2 minutes early. In reality, they were probably getting ready to go, packing their stuff, grabbing their coat, going to the loo, maybe 4 minutes before actually leaving.
So, it’s more like 6 minutes of lost time per person, and now that’s 2 hours lost PER DAY across all 20 employees, or 10 hours a week, 40 hours a month.
Obviously I wouldn’t nitpick about such silly things, but an employer, who is paying out of their own pocket (in as much as the stolen production value of the proletariat is their money), is going to be looking closely at the timesheets and finances, do long term calculations like this, and will dehumanise their employees to save money.
So, when they see one person leaving 2 minutes early, they see a slippery slope, and the potential for dozens of hours or more of wasted wages per month if they don’t nip it in the bud.
I’ve never had a manager complain about leaving a few minutes early.
It destroys more good will and motivation than the theoretical 40 hour a month. I say theoretical because the odds of anyone getting anything done in those 3 min are astronomically slim.
That employee is never going to stay later to help with anything if they don’t have the wiggle room to leave a few minutes early.
Exactly! Plus, I always despise having to stay after everybody else has left those extra few minutes (if I’m 3 minutes late in the morning due to the bus or such) to ‘keep working’, it does nothing but make me dislike the management.
That said, I’m also never staying late to help with anything, it goes both ways. If they don’t want to let me work with some leeway by a few minutes here and there, I’m not giving them an inch either. Especially given that it would be unpaid extra work!
They wouldn’t even accept us beginning to get ready to leave until our clock out time, because up to that point we are supposed to be working
Even the US outlawed that. What country do you live in where that’s normal?
In the US if you’re required to do something for work, at work, you’re on the clock. For example, if you have a uniform you’re required to wear, you clock in then out it on
Lots of employers break that law, which is why wage theft is by far the #1 form of theft in the US, but it is the law
Similar thing with responding to work messages outside normal work hours
The last 2 minutes of any day are not where productivity happens. In fact, I bet leaving 2 minutes early compounding into 13 hours over a year actually SAVES the company 13 hours of time paid.
Moreover, if I was productive up to 4:57 and left, I’d be productive up to 4:57.
If I have to stay until 5:00, not one minute early, I’m watching the clock for at least 20 minutes doing fuck all because I’ve been instructed that I have to run out the clock every day forever.
When you prioritize employees for their time, they give you their time. When you prioritize them for their work, they’ll give you work.
This is normal, no?
Sad, but normal. I’ve never had an employer that would find it acceptable for their staff to leave two minutes early. They wouldn’t even accept us beginning to get ready to leave until our clock out time, because up to that point we are supposed to be working.
Two minutes doesn’t sound like a lot, but I suppose they see it differently to us, the wageslaves.
If 20 salaried staff members regularly leave work 2 minutes early, that’s 40 minutes of lost productivity/paying wages to staff that aren’t even there, per day. 3 hours 20 minutes per week, 10 hours a month.
That’s assuming they didn’t stop working a few minutes earlier in order to actually be at the door clocking out 2 minutes early. In reality, they were probably getting ready to go, packing their stuff, grabbing their coat, going to the loo, maybe 4 minutes before actually leaving.
So, it’s more like 6 minutes of lost time per person, and now that’s 2 hours lost PER DAY across all 20 employees, or 10 hours a week, 40 hours a month.
Obviously I wouldn’t nitpick about such silly things, but an employer, who is paying out of their own pocket (in as much as the stolen production value of the proletariat is their money), is going to be looking closely at the timesheets and finances, do long term calculations like this, and will dehumanise their employees to save money.
So, when they see one person leaving 2 minutes early, they see a slippery slope, and the potential for dozens of hours or more of wasted wages per month if they don’t nip it in the bud.
I’ve never had a manager complain about leaving a few minutes early.
It destroys more good will and motivation than the theoretical 40 hour a month. I say theoretical because the odds of anyone getting anything done in those 3 min are astronomically slim.
That employee is never going to stay later to help with anything if they don’t have the wiggle room to leave a few minutes early.
Exactly! Plus, I always despise having to stay after everybody else has left those extra few minutes (if I’m 3 minutes late in the morning due to the bus or such) to ‘keep working’, it does nothing but make me dislike the management.
That said, I’m also never staying late to help with anything, it goes both ways. If they don’t want to let me work with some leeway by a few minutes here and there, I’m not giving them an inch either. Especially given that it would be unpaid extra work!
Even the US outlawed that. What country do you live in where that’s normal?
In the US if you’re required to do something for work, at work, you’re on the clock. For example, if you have a uniform you’re required to wear, you clock in then out it on
Lots of employers break that law, which is why wage theft is by far the #1 form of theft in the US, but it is the law
Similar thing with responding to work messages outside normal work hours
The last 2 minutes of any day are not where productivity happens. In fact, I bet leaving 2 minutes early compounding into 13 hours over a year actually SAVES the company 13 hours of time paid.
Moreover, if I was productive up to 4:57 and left, I’d be productive up to 4:57.
If I have to stay until 5:00, not one minute early, I’m watching the clock for at least 20 minutes doing fuck all because I’ve been instructed that I have to run out the clock every day forever.
When you prioritize employees for their time, they give you their time. When you prioritize them for their work, they’ll give you work.
Shut the fuck up bootlicker
If I’m clocking out 2 minutes early, you’re not paying me for those 2 minutes… I clocked out, in fact I just saved you 2 minutes of my wage.
Fuck off, Donkey.