This is my repost of my previous post here. My question WASN’T actually clear enough, so I had to add “United States presidential” to the title. That said, I’ll start by saying I’d vote for Governor of Kentucky Andy Beshear.

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    Never republican. Prior to that, whichever Democrat says they will reign hell fire.

    Disbanding ICE, disbanding TSA, slashing CBP, cutting military 75+%, expanding the supreme court by 10+ seats, expanding DOJ for that massive backlog of criminal prosecutions, forcing better vote methodologies, forcing a constitutional convention (new branches of government, independent DOJ, independent science research, independent health), encouraging new states (DC, Guam, Puerto Rico) to join the union to fix Senate proportions, remove electoral college, add in mechanisms for national no-confidence votes, healthcare as a right, etc. There’s a lot more heh.

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      I’d do more than that

      Disband DHS. This agency was never required and was created merely as a knee-jerk to the information sharing problems that contributed to how 9/11 turned out.

      Ironically, the majority of those problems were actually between the FBI and CIA and DHS has no authority over either — that role was handled to the also-newly-created Director of National Intelligence (DNI)

      Sooooo we never needed the orwellian DHS in the first place

      Abolish ICE, HSI and CBP*. The the other constituent agencies carry on as they did before 9/11 and leave the LE/intelligence coordination to the DNI

      *Some folks would love to see ATF go, others want the end of TSA

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      You would actually trust a Democrat that came forward like that? We can even get them to commit not being assholes.

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          Not Republican isn’t enough though.

          We can’t have a repeat of a bunch of bumbling dipshits voting for non-viable 3rd party candidates that literally cannot win or not voting at all.

          I will be voting for whatever Dem candidate is on the ticket. Because I’m tired of feds infringing on our rights and executing American citizens in the streets and the most likely way to make that stop is by voting for whatever Democrat is on the ticket.

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            Something like 0.5% voted third party. IMO it’s a non issue. Never Republican is a clearer mandate. But yes, I will be campaigning hard for the best Democrat in the primaries and will be voting Democrat.

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          That tactic hasn’t worked very well for the DNC, their only policy for the last 10 years is we are not Trump, despite every other indicator showing that they are.

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            great, go vote for the greater of two evils and tell me how well that goes for you. Oh wait, we’ve seen what happens then

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              50 years of liberal ‘lesser evil’ has led to where we are right now. A small acceptable evil allows a slightly larger one the next time.

              Your incrementalism gave us incremental fascism.

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                So you’re blaming Dems being weak for Republicans being fascist?

                Next are you going to blame the rape victim for not fighting back hard enough?

                Dems haven’t done enough. That doesn’t mean they made this all happen. Republicans made this happen. Period.

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                  Fascism doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Historically every time it’s raised its head it’s been with the complicity of liberals.

                  Claiming that Dems are not strong enough to fight back Republicans is not an effective argument to support them. That’s a reason to refuse to support them

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                50 years of liberal ‘lesser evil’ has led to where we are right now.

                1. they didn’t have 50 years of “lesser evil”. It’s been a mix, also, the 3 government branches have been in different hands throughout

                2. the Dems implemented progressive policies throughout

                3. the dems are not a “lesser evil” they are an “imperfect ok”

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                  They’ve actually been sprouting lesser evil bullshit for over a century. There is no shade of fascism that’s imperfect ok

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            their only policy for the last 10 years is we are not Trump, despite every other indicator showing that they are.

            Criticize the Dems. I’m not saying they don’t deserve it.

            But that statement is irresponsible. Dangerous even.

            The last time Dems were in power American citizens weren’t being executed in the streets in broad daylight by an immigration agency 1300 miles from the southern border. The last Dem president wasn’t sending a Gestapo into American cities to terrorize American citizens to instigate pushback so he could cancel elections. The last Dem president didn’t corruptly use the National Guard to take over Washington DC. The last Dem president didn’t instruct his DOJ to openly defy the law.

            I can’t believe this continues to need to be repeated but THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

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              Democrats were helping build the infrastructure and creating the tools necessary for trump to take these actions. While you were at brunch Biden increased ice funding to the highest level they’ve ever received, he boosted detention center construction, he helped local police build cop cities. Bill Clinton’s expedited removal allowed immigrants be denied due process, a measure Obama used on 75% of those he deported. Obama/Biden built the cages trump kept kids in. ICE is collecting a database of faces of protesters to be cataloged and maintained by Palentir, who Democrats have a very cozy relationship with.

              In just a few days Schumer will help muster the votes needed to boost ICE funding again.

              No matter how many times you want to shout it, they are the same.