• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    It isn’t legal, and the Constitution expliclty forbids this.

    Welcome to fascism, did you think for some reason … words written on paper would… restrain them or matter in anyway?

    They are fascists.

    Their whole thing is … truth doesn’t exist, language is a weapon, not a means of reaching a mutual understanding.

    They only understand one thing, and that is violent force, and the physical and societal logistics that make it possible.

    If your game plan for resisting fascists is ‘but that’s illegal!’, you’ve already lost.

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      It’s an ideology that has proven to resort to violence and genocide rather than admit fault, let alone wrongdoing.

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    It isn’t legal. And they haven’t changed the law. It’s just now their policy to ignore the law.

    Right now they’re trying to “shock and awe” everyone into submission and compliance before the law catches up with them.

    • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ@lemmy.world
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      Ah, the classic, “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” -Francis M. Wilhoit

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    it is very much unconstitutional and definitely illegal. but you would need a functioning congress and a supreme court to rule on it or whatever

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    The rule of law has ceased to exist in the US. It has been replaced by the rule of power.

    You either get used to no longer have rights, or you can start to get them back.

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      Yup.

      Those of us with functional brains kept telling everyone else without that it can and will happen here. They didn’t think so.

      Now it’s happening here.

      It’s a slow boil, so people will keep denying. But hey, women don’t have the same rights they had a few years ago. Now due process is gone. What’s next?

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        Now to be precise those women’s rights were taken away legally as they were not codified anywhere in a lasting manner.

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          Well yeah.

          A lot of what the Nazis did was legal, too.

          Particularly at the beginning when they started passing laws to persecute Jews and other minorities. All done legally.

          Like when the U.S. didn’t let women or blacks vote or own land. All legal.

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    The main question is how legal would it be to shoot at masked armed gang breaking into your home to kidnap you and your family without any judicial warrant.

    Because that is exactly what the 2nd amendment is for

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      “Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6”

      I mean FFS, at this point ICE might kill you just for fun.

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        Immigration proceedings aren’t before a full court with a jury. It’s an administrative proceeding. So, there isn’t even the 12.

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    It doesn’t matter whether it’s illegal. If you don’t have rule of law, which is the reality that MAGA has us living in, then all that matters is if you can get away with it. If you can’t or won’t be held to account, then there is no law

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    This is very satisfying in a schadenfreude kind of way. I have been lectured to by Americans and those influenced by them for decades about the importance of their constitutional freedoms to shoot children and spread hate speech.

    Some liberal western democracies don’t even have a codified constitution and still have better human rights and fairer government than the USA. Without a well functioning representative democracy with preferential or proportional voting, concentrating enormous executive power in a single tyrant without strong protections was always obviously exploitable.

    I think a lot of them are still living in denial and think the good guys are going to come in and defend the constitution at the last minute. Hope they are right. It is one hell of a gamble for them and the rest of us.

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    Laws are only laws when they’re enforced. After decades of training law enforcement to hate and fear the average citizen, they don’t care to enforce laws that exist to protect those citizens.

    And don’t tell me it’s always been that way. It’s a matter of degrees and there’s been a effort for decades to normalize police violence. It was bad, but it’s been engineered to be worse.

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    You’re forgetting the “Nobody is going to stop me” exemption. The constitution is just a piece of paper if nobody is willing to defend it.

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    “Instead, the disclosure claims that the memo was rolled out in a secretive manner in which some agents were verbally briefed while others were allowed to view it but not keep a copy,” Blumenthal said. “It was reportedly clear that anyone who openly spoke out against this new directive would be fired.”

    Seems like they know it’s not

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    The Constitution is a piece of paper with words on it that no one pays attention to any longer.

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    The law only exists so far as it is enforced. Who will enforce the law against the state? Political power grows out the barrel of a gun.

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    If someone was in the process of actively murdering me, I would think it safe to assume they are aware that murder is illegal. If I tell them it’s illegal, they’re probably more likely to double down and make sure I’m dead so that I can’t be a witness.