We can only hope these companies are treated as collaborators in the future.
How were collaborators treated the last time around though?
When do you people WAKE UP? What accountability? What responsibility? When in the last decade plus has any if that happened?
I’m sure it’s just around the corner…
Open your damn eyes. The entire planet can see it, why are Americans so blind?l is it intentional? You guys let J6 slide ffs, why would there be an ounce of accountability now or ever? UNREAL
Oh noooo, that thing we warned people about when it came out is being misused in exactly the way we warned people it would be misused.
Oh nooooo.
I’m tired grandpa. Too damn many stupid people in this world.
world
The US. The rest of us don’t have an ICE problem nor an obsession with this kind of shit.
Edit: Americans really don’t like their actions and responsibility handed back to them do they? God they’re getting fucking tiring.
This really highlights how important it is for people to understand what they’re opting into with smart devices. Transparency and informed choice matter more than ever.
the contracts/terms/etc don’t even matter… they can change them at any time, without prior notice. stop buying stuff, plain and simple.
While you’re at it, don’t buy from amazon
There was a time when I thought that was impossible… now I don’t even have an account
I think my wife keeps one because according to her (and I believe this is true) there are things you just can’t buy elsewhere anymore. So far, I have been fine not buying something if it’s only on Amazon but I can see cases where that would be impossible.
Other than that, fuck Amazon right off
thing you just can’t buy elsewhere anymore
Yes and no. For example I had to buy double-sided tape and went into four different stores in different areas of my city and only found it in the fourth store after researching.
I checked on Amazon after the fact, and could have had it delivered to my door same-day lol.
I don’t believe there’s anything you can only buy on Amazon… but it IS so bloody convenient.
there are things you just can’t buy elsewhere anymore.
What specifically is this true for?
Other than their Amazon basic branded trash.
People send me links to Amazon products and seem bewildered when I just don’t open them and or respond to send me the actual link to the mfr website.
Fuck amazon
*you’re
You would think that text prediction would be better by now but no
Can we all agree to print out flyers of this to share around with neighbors and our communities? People ARE under educated. It starts with us educating because the oligarchs wont
this is great news for my leftist in-laws who decided to get ring cameras out of the convenience they offered.
I did warn them that this would happen, but like most people, “that would never happen!”
Ditch your internet connected shit and boycott these companies
Have considered a plain old doorbel and a peep hole on the door?
Low tech, cheap, cheap to install, lasts a lifetime.
Heck, if safety is the concern, install a periscope. Yes, mirrora inside a tube, to get to see, from a distance, who is at the door.
You want footage? Photos?
Install a local camera. Like one of those that are setup by biologists to film animals in the wild. Triggered by motion sensing. Or talk with someone technically inclined and install a local system.
If it doesn’t use a BNC connector I don’t trust it
I’m more concerned about safety on my property than privacy. I use Wyze Cams. I’m fine with it.
You can have both. I have a 360 camera set up around my house that records to a local dvr. I can remote into it when I’m not home and I’m not supporting ghoulish companies like google or Amazon.
You can have both if you have the know how and time to do so. I’d rather just pay $60 a year and under $100 for the cameras. How does Wyze support Google and Amazon? I’m genuinely asking.
My bad, I mixed up wyze with nest, which google owns. Amazon owns blink and ring. I do know wyze was founded by former Amazon employees, which is definitely not the same as their being controlled or supported by Amazon. That said, you may want to read up on some of their security breaches, which have happened multiple times.
I’m aware. I just don’t care that some random person could see my driveway momentarily. If it kept happening, I would cancel.
It’s not just a random person, you’re opening yourself up to the government subpoenaing wyze and collecting information about you without your knowledge or consent. In a normal world with a responsible government that wouldn’t be a huge deal provided you’re not doing anything seriously wrong, but that ship has sailed as of late. Don’t let them incriminate you with a fishing expedition for convenience
oh wow that’s crazy. Why would they do that though? What does a fishing expedition mean?
Is there some really good open source and local cameras that people are using? Because many people default to ring.
I am looking at using Eufy, no subscription. Unsure of potential of it joining the darkside.
Edit: China-owned, so it’s a pick-your-poison kind of deal.
Eufy is a sub-brand of Anker, for those unaware.
You can connect Eufy cameras to your NAS (RTSP) if you want to completely avoid sending the recording to the cloud, or only stored on the MicroSD card.
Not sure if it is open source, but I switched to ReoLink a while back and have been very happy with it. Good Home Assistant integration, no subscription, and everything can be local (store video clips to an onboard SD Card).
You can just use analog security cameras and a DVR of your choosing. Don’t let the word analog fool you, the cameras are available in up to 4K resolution. Since the video is recorded to the DVR and not some random company’s server it is safe. It requires a little more setup and know-how but it is by no means difficult. Check the surveillance section on B&H’s website. There are tons of options.
I use ReoLink cameras blocked from the Internet. Locally, the app is p2p and works fine. For remote viewing, I have the rtmp proxied through my home server.
Home “security” cameras cause far, far more angst and grief than they do benefit.
“Hey, mister policeman, here’s a video of a guy stealing my truck.”
“Yep, that’s a guy stealing your truck, alright.”
“…”
“Should’a put it in your garage.”
“My garage is full of crap I bought on Amazon. Some of it, I haven’t even opened. Also, the truck didn’t fit in the garage after I had it lifted.”
“The report is filed, I’ll let you know if we find anything.”
“You’re not going to find anything, are you?”
“We’re not even going to look.”
One-third of Nextdoor is lost pets. One-third is people selling crap they bought at Goodwill. And, the last third is people asking about the “suspicious” (non-white) man who walked down the sidewalk past their house at 5AM.
Eh my cameras sit local and only get looked at when I am either board and want to do some frigate plus uploads or if something happens. Besides looking where delivery drivers have left packages I have only had one incident.
Don’t buy anything from Amazon.
Of course that happened, that happens every time when you buy things but then don’t own them.
I’ll buy cams for my home, but they’ll be for ME alone because they’re MY cameras, MY video.
Obligatory fuck Amazon and fuck the USA
Zoneminder/ Shinobi for Linux seems to be the software, and milestone is free up to eight camera channels if you only have a Windows box to run the cameras (I’m a dealer, so if you’re a Windows person and you get lost ask me how.)
Dammit, I fell for rings assurances of “only in response to a warrant”. Mostly out of laziness, but still …… I really am going to have to figure out self hosting a video doorbell, aren’t i
Sorry, wasn’t meant as a slight against you.
Remember people: Proprietary systems are never yours. And in this case, they own you.
Bare in mind that the government requires a warrant to obtain data against you, the barrier in which to get a warrant requires probable cause.
Obtaining data about you from a company only requires a subpoena if the company doesn’t cooperate.
BUYING data about you from the same company is completely allowed.
Until we get privacy laws, we are truly fucked.
Ubiquiti offers a product that will do that out of the box iirc but I have no idea if it’s good.
Still ring has been handing stuff to the cops for years at this point. They only “stopped” recently and I guess started again.
Only problem with the Ubiquiti offering iirc is that it offers no storage, you need a controller with storage installed.
I mean that is expected, though I guess that is my bias. I just meant that is was more “layman” than running your own storage system.
It would not surprise me if this inspired systematic vandalism of these devices. Not that I would ever advocate for such a thing.
I’ve got a Ubiquiti setup with cameras and a doorbell. It isn’t cheap but it’s local and I highly recommend them if you have the budget.
Does that use a cloud? I went to their site one time and thought it had Google trackers.
Cloud access is typically if you’re managing equipment at multiple sites. For me everything is accessed and managed locally and the recordings are saved to a local HDD and not uploaded to the cloud.
Whose website doesn’t have Google trackers?
I get that plausible and such exist too, but using Google is industry standard unfortunately.
There are many that do not. I see all queries in my domain filter. All who do are kindly blocked.
I meant more that products don’t necessarily have to use the cloud just because the company behind them uses analytics to figure out their target audience for marketing reasons
