Would community defense organizing be good?
Alone, you are out-manned and out-gunned. Community is probably the best bet as bullies rely on uneven strength for their confidence. They’re untrained and want an easy target. Don’t give them it
I really wish there are free community defense classes
What kind of classes? Shooting? If so I’d say shooting won’t help much unless you have a community response to those threatening you. It just gives ammunition to those calling the American population dangerous, and trying to break them into groups so they can exploit hatred and fear. I believe that standing by all “groups” no matter what is what needs to happen. When someone tries to divide to conquer, the best answer I can see is avoiding any divides. The problem is it works on so many people, that about 30% of the country agrees that they have enemies in the country. Yet those people they think are enemies… Are no one they know, and would take as a friend if they were their neighbor.
Edit: that’s said as someone taught to shoot when I was 8 and has owned guns from 18, I’m 36. Guns aren’t the answer without community
All groups with one caveat. No Nazis. They can go fuck themselves.
Unless you’re actually breaking the law and they’re not fake cops. In that instance you’re the asshole.
Some would argue that shooting real cops wouldn’t make you an asshole either.
You still wouldn’t be legal for doing so. But I wouldn’t say someone is an asshole just because they killed a cop.
I’d argue if a cop is trying to kill you instead of arrest you, which is their job, then yeah, killing them back isn’t exactly an asshole response.
You can be an asshole for something else in the situation, but not for the mutual killing.
Hence the “and”.
First, contact as many people as you can, especially local ICE watch orgs. A lot have hotlines which you may be able to find with a web search. Next start recording. Delay as long as possible. Ask for a warrant, stay calm and maybe try to negotiate as a stall tactic. This will hopefully give community members time to arrive and record or hopefully apply pressure if they are brave and numerous enough. It is possible to intimidate and drive them back with enough numbers.
All else fails at this point I would not fight back and allow yourself to be arrested. Most citizens being arrested right now are being released. The courts are slow but still upholding the law for now. If you are not a citizen then your options might not be as good. Fighting back is likely to get you injured or killed but if you have an escape route it could be worthwhile, especially if you can escape in areas where motor vehicles can’t go. Their level of fitness is generally low so they can’t give chase for long, and as long as you’re not high profile you might be safe once you get away, though you’ll likely need to lie low somewhere.
If you’re asking what to do about the current political situation in a broader sense then I have different answers.
I think groups of openly armed citizens patrolling the streets would be a huge deterrent to ICE. These guys are violent bullies when they operate against unarmed people, but I doubt they are willing to mess with a mass of armed defenders.
But if the military continues to go along with Trump then this just may escalate things.
There are four boxes of liberty. The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammo box. Use them in that order
Soap and jury are out. We might not make it to ballot.
Would be incredible to see protest where they show up to any ice presence fully armed. Still act as observes but also to ensure ice doesn’t execute anymore Americans
If they are in your home and you are at gun point, all you can do is play along and pray. Anyone saying otherwise is beating their chest or stupid.
If you were armed and responded with force, they will kill you. Period. Even if you manage to take down the initial force, you’re not leaving that house alive.
We need to do so many more things before the “they’re in my house with guns” stage.
Start by getting to know your neighbors. For real. If they are all right leaning, move. Surround yourself with like-minded people. Build mutual aid networks. They are far less likely to enter your neighbor’s home if you’re sheltering there, for example.
Have contingency plans on top of contingency plans. For example: you have a best case scenario fleeing plan. Decide where you’re going (ideally another country). Build out your time line, work on making it happen. Then plan less ideal ones all the way down to your “Anne Frank” plan. Who can you hide with long term?
For the Anne Frank scenario; what are your insurgency skills? You don’t have to be a fighter to be useful to your community. Learn, hone, and practice the skills that make you valuable to yourself and others.
Advanced tactic for people who aren’t afraid of dumb people and are social enough to make friends: get to know your right-leaning or centrist neighbors anyway, make them like you even if you’re a different race or culture. It’s far easier than most people think. Run to them for help. Make them confront the situation they would normally feel removed from. It’s amazing how often these people flip when they’re in the middle of it.
I sorta agree with this. I live in the Trumpiest state in this shitty union. I’m the most left leaning person on my block. I know most of my neighbors and they have gotten to like us. That said, there are some of them who I know would turn us in no matter what.
The area I live in is majority trump cultists. However I am a middle aged overweight white male construction worker, so I blend right in. Im going to be someones anne Franke hidey hole if it comes to that.
Doing the good work, comrade.
Use your gun.
Don’t have one? Get one.
Can’t get one? Make one.
Hit me up for PDF on option 3.
You excerise your rights provided to you by the constitution. Have a lawyer and video tape everything you can and fuck it do it live.
I’m from a suburb of Minneapolis. Civil engagement is a good way to go. Recent events (shootings) got people to get our city council to figure out what they could do for gun safety. ICE hasn’t touched our wealthy suburb yet, though. There hasn’t been a city meeting since Renee Good, as well. Next city council meeting will be 🔥
Honestly DylanMc6 there is nothing you can do and no answer that will be correct. Do your best.
My advice is buy a shotgun, let them know you are armed and under no circumstances do you open your door to them. Once the door is open all hell will break loose and you will have to make some hard choices within seconds.
Protect yourself and your family at all costs and hope you don’t have to kill anyone to do it.
I’m actually non-binary, and I prefer gender-neutral and feminine terms. Seriously!
Ok. Buy a shotgun.
Please change your pronouns to [she,they] then.
Corrected. Thanks
Light em up
I’d love to see all kinds of resistance to this.
If an armed militia shows up on the same street as ICE, but in greater numbers, there’s a pretty good chance these imposters leave.
I hope somebody’s working on building an app for recording everything possible and centralizing that information - license plates, photos, videos.
Perhaps homemade stingray devices that grab IMEI/IMSI numbers from agent’s phones, so that it’s easier to identify and link these agents between locations.
More people following them around to report on location and activities. Report on where they stay so that protests and obnoxious deterrence can be set up so that fewer businesses are willing to service these people.
There are so many more citizens than there are ICE agents. Doesn’t seem like it takes much to overwhelm them and push them out, so long as it’s coordinated.
Most ice agents will stand down facing a well armed militia. They’re just paid goons looking to take out aggressions against those who can’t fight back. Give them opposition and they’ll realize the pay cheque isn’t worth it.
There isn’t a well armed militia in my house.
Even one well armed person isn’t going to deter the 4-6 armed assholes they tend to send through your door.
If they come to kill me they’re gonna kill me. I can’t stop that. But that doesn’t mean I should make it easy for them.
You gotta make that home-field advantage work for you.
I can send you some great instructional videos from Kevin McAllister.
Fight, die, shrug emoji.
If we reached the point where they came into my house I’d be fucked no matter what, so I’d take as many as I could with me. No use in making my death meaningless.
