Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.
Venezuela should have been the line. Want to make it Greenland? So, they can take mexico, Cuba?
Each inch they take is too much. They have proven that they are following the Fascist guidebook.
Venezuela is the first step. Same as Hitler with Poland.
Poland was the last step, which is what started WWII. I think you mean Czechoslovakia (or maybe the Rhineland) was the first step.
Thanks for the correction.
Just the first step 😔
Greenland is arguably under NATO protection. Cuba is not, and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba, I’m not going to get involved with that bullshit.
As for Mexico, I’m saddened by the lack of an informal alliance between the two countries. As much as I wish it weren’t so, I’ve not seen any indication from Mexico that they would stand with us. An invasion of Mexico would be an enormous step that would justify ramping up sanctioning behavior, but for me, as a Canadian, the line in the sand should be Greenland. Meaning if Greenland is ever directly attacked, we are in a war stance. We cut off everything to the US, sell all the Tbonds, nationalize all strategic resources (oil, media, telecom, water, hydro, food, potash, critical minerals), seize assists and nationalize all patents. I would recommend we also look for any alliance with China.
THAT’S what I mean by a line in the sand. We cut them off and dig in.
Edit… Hey if you disagree tell me why, stand up for yourself don’t just downvote and move on.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a CommunistThen they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a SocialistThen they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionistThen they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a JewThen they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me- Martin Niemöller
Attacking communists is the first step. That’s where the line needs to be drawn. Not an inch to fascism.
Yes, my opinion can be changed for Mexico, and it would be made in the moment.
Frankly I wish our governments would more openly stand with one another. I would support it 100%
By the way, the words Niemoller wrote refer to internal oppression and disenfranchisement. For any example of an external analogue in the same time period, consider UK agreement with Poland, that eventually pulled them into the war and which they courageously honored and defended. We don’t have such an agreement with Mexico.
I am Mexican Canadian.
Mexico hasn’t forgotten about all the stolen territory. Yes, they call it sale and secession and whatever, it was stolen.
If I put a gun to your head and ask you to sell me a property you have for $10. You are going to do it. I’d say I purchased it. I’m sure you’ll say I stole it.
So, why do disagree?
Because of the wise reflection of “first they came for the…”
Well. If we don’t stand against them taking over Venezuela, who is going to stand with us when they try to take over us (Greenland, Canada, Mexico and the rest)
The manifest Destiny is no joke.
indeed and the Alamo was setup to fail to create an excuse to invade Mexico. There were more Texas-Mexicans defending the Alamo than Caucasians.
I agree on everything you’ve said.
If I may ask, and forgive my ignorance: Am I wrong about Mexico? Is there any room for mutual support? Or is Canada generally an afterthought in Mexico, or worse, not trusted?
Canada is very far from Mexican consciousness.
Too bad for both of us, I guess.
Why would you term Greenland a protectorate? It’s the territory of an ally.
It saddens me that Americans seem to be incapable of understanding even the concept of an ally.
I meant that it is under the NATO umbrella. I have no interest, and I would not support, any Canadian involvement in Greenland beyond our help and support in the face of American aggression.
US is in NATO so it doesn’t matter, to be honest NATO without US doesn’t exists because it’s EU, UK, US and Canada, that’s why EU wants Canada in and to be honest Canada should join to keep itself inside old union. US is heading towards BRICS right now.
Ironically I think joining BRICS would be a great move for the EU right now, both as an immediate out from the dollar based economic order and to pretty much jam soft power crowbar into BRICS itself that might turn it into a more open economic union and not just Chinas (and Russia playing with an unplugged controllers) sphere of influence.
That said I’m probably missing a TON of nuance that makes my take basic and dumb.
Fuck off Russian shit.
and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba
Could you provide a source for this claim?
It’s the guys who were shitty owners of plantations ans lackeys of the US
It’s no secret that the US offered free flights to Cubans that disagreed with Castro, and this resulted in a large population of Cuban-Americans that want Cuba to go back to the “Cuba of Yesterday”
No one, absolutely no one will come defend Greenland, not even Denmark. They would have to send F35 to defend it, with their missions entry going through a server… in the US!! (And these geniuses doubled down, ordering more F35 last october, and they just ordered more military equipment from the US!).
No NATO member will declare war to the US.
The only option they would have is to immediately build a military base in Greenland with forces from all European countries, ready to fight. And then, MAYBE Trump will think twice before invading it.
You don’t get it.
The people posting shit like that WANT TO KILL.
They are bloodthirsty. They are warmongers. They want a bodycount.
There’s nothing more to realize about the joke because it’s not a joke.
America is ruled by murderers.
The only way it’s stops is when the blood lust they seek comes home to roost.
They can’t handle a rifle due to medical reasons and their moms told them to be back by dinner.
I’m not sure about this. They’ve got a more than capable military.
But I’m willing to find out where their limit is. Militarily, I suspect it starts at a protracted war of attrition with a determined enemy that looks exactly like them and who pops in and out of unassailable and impassable northern boreal forests and muskeg swamps. Or hides in plain sight in the middle of Toronto. Or hops over the immense border to wreak havoc. No one would be safe, ever.
Economically, I think cutting off hydro, oil and potash would have an enormous effect on their comfort level. For lasting damage, nationalize all strategic resources and seize assets and companies. Raze them if threatened, starting with US assets. Nationalize all IP and patents. Sell all US government debt and send the interest rates sky high.
The weakness the US has is that they are doing this for more power and a comfortable life. They AIM to survive it. Frankly at a certain point I don’t care about that. Our fight is existential, and we have given up on a vision of life after. What matters at that point is the here and now, and that’s it.
The biggest weakness of the US is that Americans hate one another. At the current time another civil war in the US isn’t in my best interests. But future events might change that.
Also, I don’t want to fight Americans in the streets of Toronto. I would be willing to fight Americans in the streets of American cities tho. The American concept of war is something that happens “over there”. How would Americans handle it if war wasn’t just some drone video of a boat in the Caribbean getting hit by a missile?
Hopefully it won’t come to that. But people obsess over troop counts a little too much and don’t think at all about the weakness inherent in American culture. That weakness obviously led to Trump and the general decline of the US. That decline can be either mitigated or exploited. We’ll just have to see how it goes.
I don’t think the average republican is capable in a fight, but I do think they fantasize about ethnic cleansing.
And you really think they are the ones fighting?
They remove social services and the only out for poor people is the army.
Yes and they have a sizable enough of supporters who would turn those guns inwards that just going to the streets armed without proper organization isn’t going to do jack shit. Stop calling for us to just blindly kill each other you fucking dimwits. People talk about how stupid Americans are but dear god is the mirror shattered in them understanding us.
Miller is the ghoul behind a lot of the worst of what the government is doing. Trump is bad, but he’s an idiot. Miller knows what he’s doing and has a plan.
Will nobody rid this poor planet of Stephen Miller?
Miller is this administration’s Himmler.
Trump is the demagogue that controls the masses, they’re the puppeteers controlling him. They KNOW he doesn’t have long so they’re doing what they can in a short amount of time. The USA is now a hostile power in the world and people don’t realize that. What are they going to demand their governments do?
We know it’s not a joke. The three most populated cities in the US are in deep blue states and full of people who don’t want this. For everyone in those cities, it would take days and hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, to travel to the White House. Most of us are behind on rent, have had our cars repossessed, don’t make a living wage, don’t have healthcare, and have unsustainable credit card debt.
Outside of a very vocal minority, the American people are overwhelmingly united around the fact that we don’t want this to happen.
However, the American people aren’t in control of the American government, and the American government are overwhelmingly united around corporate interests.
There is still hope…
I’d like a faster processor.
Feet first, too.
This is the only answer.
I’m in this photo and I don’t like it :(
Anyone who thinks warmongering, fascism, and terrorism are unAmerican has not read much American history. The U.S.A was founded on genocide, grown on slavery, and has oligarchy baked in to their constitution. Hitler studied the way the U.S. treated indigenous and black people to form his genocide plans, and Israel has built on both the U.S. and Nazi examples for their treatment of Palestine.
The beat goes on.
What people hear when you say things like this: Ah, so this is business as usual, and while it sucks for the people affected, keeping my head down should continue working to keep me out of trouble. I’m powerless to fix this stuff, anyway, so I should just dissociate and worry about my own problems.
And then they don’t show up for elections…
Ah yes, elections will fix everything in the USA, just vote harder next time.
Just to make what I am saying as clear as I can without someone putting words in my mouth: The existing system is functioning as designed and as it has ALWAYS “worked” , and if the people of the world are going to have a chance to survive they need to destroy the current one, and replace it with one that cares about people and the planet, not just profits.
Well, we have plenty of people on Lemmy who place the blame for this situation on the Americans who didn’t vote for Kamala Harris, as if they weighed the stakes, deliberated, and decided affirmatively that not voting was the correct action. It’s like the people who believe that have never met actual humans. Denial and dissociation ‘works’ very well for us as a psychological defense mechanism.
Now, if we have any hope, we need people to work together to shut down the fascists. I’m just sayin’ that this here is a much better way to put it to motivate them, while telling them that “it’s always been this way” and “the U.S. is simply evil” is a great way to push people back into denial and dissociation.
American propaganda agents should be hunted down and butchered.
Bannon saying he’s gonna give Ireland a trump should get his ass in the space station with Mountbatten.
There’s way too many, like myself, who can’t even afford to take a week off of work much less however long it would take to revolt.
And we’d be going up against a military that just waltzed into another country which has a functional and organized military and expect to succeed against them grassroots?
I don’t think anything will happen before a state or group of states splinters off with their national guard as support.
We’re definitely not laughing. Well, not the ones against him - which does seem to be the majority, at least when you’re here.
And you think action will be easier if you wait longer? You are wrong, things are only going to get more difficult.
Facism is a cancer. You cant ignore it or reason with it, or hope it goes away. The only option is to take the terrible medicine and fight, now.
Well, yeah. It will be perhaps not easier if you wait for a mass of discontent or an inciting incident, but it will be winnable. You can’t fight alone. Yes, it’s going to be a fight and a challenge, but we have to convince the masses that the status quo is not normal any more, and convince the notoriously easy going and anti violent crowd to understand that violence is necessary. If you fight too early, you’ll get all the centrists against you as well - and we can’t have a two front fight.
Groups of like minded individuals are already beginning to form. Those will naturally coalesce when the time is right.
What immediate, terrible medicine do you propose? I’m legitimately interested.
Thats the thing, I dont know what the medicine should be.
I feel like we are waiting either for an incident like you suggest, or a leader who is able to rally the un-interested, un-motivated, and burned out masses. The left does not have their super star yet.
Yeah, I agree. The left’s leadership is really just “less right”, but equally owned by corporations. That’s not gonna do anything for us.
Some cancers are terminal/inoperable…
Thats true, but i dint think thats the case here. Regimes can always be changed. Sure it might take a couple decades, but even rome eventually fell.
Germans had a prideful couple of years when France fell but then it got ugly. So average mercan will no doubt celebrate on the short term about how great frump and merca are. Reality for them is a few years away. Think of this as 1938. Merca didnt join the war against nazis in 1942 ‘til Europe was defeated and england was on its knees.
There is no USSR this time around though. China’s foreign policy is pretty much hands off, see e.g. the attacks on Iran and Venezuela that are going to tank chinese investment there, but all there is are strongly worded letters.
As the rate of profit continues to fall the US will start to strip the copper from the EU, fund fascist parties and as we have seen they will kidnap a president that isn’t sufficiently compliant. How much respect they have for european countries sovereignty we can see here. On top off this, once Ukraine officially loses, fascists might blame us and start terror attacks as well. Future in europe is looking pretty grim I’d say.
Who is going to be WW2 America in this metaphor?
Australia volunteers the emu army.
A Russian-China spearheaded alliance. Who else would want to gain from American military chaos
Sir, Russia can’t complete a 3 day special operation. If China had the will and firepower to stop the US they’d be able to do it without Russia.
And we don’t know if China would actually team up with the EU to fight the US, or let both sides weaken each other while they take over Taiwan.
When China says they’re not interested in full, overseas military adventurism, I actually believe them. China is so big, unwieldy and diverse that even in good times it’s hard to keep it stable internally, and one thing the Chinese government is VERY good at is taking an EXTREMELY long-term view of its actions. If China decides to act against the US, it will be in myriad subtle and indirect ways that accomplish its goals without sudden shock and exposure.
Incidentally, the US itself is also a fantastic example of why China WON’T do that. Post WW2, with very few exceptions, almost EVERY instance of US military adventurism has ended in failure, or at the very least, not gained the US anything compared to the losses. But the US’s work in soft power, partnerships, and containment? That brought down the Soviet Union without firing a single shot.
China won’t be stupid enough to try to take America’s place by using the US’s loser tactics - it will do it using their successful ones.
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I don’t think China would team up with the EU explicitly, it would be more of a pact against a common adversary.
Canadians? Shit, this should invoke and article 5 of NATO.
You REALLY think any other NATO’s member would lift a finger? Some will just make public statement saying that’s “not following international laws”, some will call for “de-escalation”, but no one will actually declare war to the US. They won’t even send equipment’s support to Denmark, as all they can spare was/is sent to Ukraine.
Similarly, is Canada actively preparing its army to defend Greenland from a US agression? Anyone believes Canada would do anything at all?
NATO doesnt have any articles about one member attacking another.
Seems like an oversight.
I think Canada should be on notice right now. I can’t believe I would ever say such a thing, but as a US citizen it just seems to me like these people have no line they won’t cross.
We need socialism
Yeah, well, capitalism’s propaganda is working boat loads better, hence so many idiots defending it
Fwiw, I think we should have a capitalist system with hard caps on net Worth. Anything over 10M goes straight to taxes. Nobody should be able to get more than X % of all the votes, ever. Govt regulates legislation on products, safety, etc, for consumers.
This way we get the best of capitalism (free trade, basically), nobody gets too rich, nobody gets too powerful, and the government has a huge income for a giant socialist system with free healthcare, free education, free transportation, free housing, ubi, you name it.
Governments can sponsor independent journalism financing institutions that can in turn finance real independent journalism that can keep everyone honest
If nobody is too powerful, if everyone is honest and well informed, nobody can start a war over bullshit reasons anymore
I think we should have a capitalist system with hard caps on net Worth.
Stage one cancer is still cancer. All capitalism is exploitation.
Are you saying you prefer market socialism? I think that the means of productions would be owned by the people through markets. If NOT market socialism, I can assume you prefer democratic socialism or social democracy.
True, but if we’re going to put our people ahead of profits for American corporations, we’re definitely going to need allies to guarantee our sovereignty.
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Just fucking kill her
Also him and many other people in the government/people that support fascism. Almost like we need a way to do a bunch at the same time…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYJ5ZViYhHQ
I’m not religious, but I’m still prayin’ everyday for this.
There’ll be a time when Latin America will say enough is enough.
Seems like a pretty American thing to do IMO.
Yeah I laughed when I saw that
Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.
US interest in Greenland has 0 to do with resources (which are extremely expensive to develop and far away from markets) and everything to do with replacing NATO military bases with US bases in order to directly threaten Europe more effectively.
The collective cowardice of the colonies divided by US attacks on their economies, and coercive miltiary equipment tribute demands, and cheerleading for Venezuela takeover, and other recent blatant election interference in Latin America (Bolivia, Honduras, Argentina, Brazil) means there are no lines in the sand. No one will come to Greenland or Canada’s defense, because the cowardice that responds to US aggression against its colonies is to devote tributes in order to fight Russia alone.
There are CIA allegiants on lemmy who setup a US invasion of Greenland as a US ploy to donate all of its resources to Russia, which means just more increased Russophobia as a response and more devotion to the US to help with Napoleonic fantasies on fighting Russia.
The line in the sand on Canada’s/Europe’s military cooperation with the US should have been drawn at tariffs. For Canada, fentanyl excuse for tariffs is accepting a categorical lie, just as the pretext for kidnapping Maduro.
Hey bud I’ve gone back over our past correspondence, and I’m now feeling less hostile. I feel as if you and I are on the same team but perhaps with a different view of what needs to be done. Is this accurate? Is it worth having a good faith dialogue?
