Firefox has forks.
Everybody sucks but you really should be cheering for Firefox in such a fight. Even now.
Fuck that, Waterfox
Stupid argument. None of the various Firefox forks has any chance to keep existing without Firefox. You should still cheer for Firefox
You can do both
None of the various Firefox forks has any chance to keep existing without Firefox
Right, let me rephrase “no Firefox fork worth using has any chance to maintain meaningful existence without upstream Firefox”
I’m sure many forks will go on surviving from scraps if Firefox disappeared tomorrow. But they wouldn’t get anything useful done.
Let me put this into perspective, Microsoft (a trillion dollar company that would benefit enormously from rolling their own browser engine) didn’t have the resources for maintaining a browser engine.
worth using
Why is Pale Moon not “worth using”?
Because a browser doesn’t just needs to keep working, it needs to evolve to adapt to the evolving web. New technologies get developed (webgpu, csp, cors, http3, etc…, some would add AI to the list but I wouldn’t) and browsers need to implement them, and old technologies get improved (faster more secure JavaScript engines, faster document renderers).
These are all things an actively developed browser engine will have to do, and things that a 2009 fork of Firefox receiving less than 10 commits per month by a single developer won’t achieve without getting them from upstream Firefox. But if you need to rely on upstream Firefox then once again you won’t survive meaningfully without Firefox.
Or you can just do the hipster and keep on using a 15 year old browser. Maybe use lynx or w3m to cut on the bloat. Or switch to gopher. You do you, it’s not my job to convince you.
Pale Moon is not a “15-year old browser” and constantly gets updates with “new technologies” being added.
Please do a research the next time you’re going to give your opinion on some topic.
See related: pfsense and opnsense.
Its entirely possible for a fork to survive if the cause is supported. Both things can still exist provided there is interest and support.
Switching browsers isn’t hard. For now, personally, I’ll take the fork that isn’t trying to literally be the “yo dog…” meme.
Firefox is a sinking ship and Brave can suck my dick
Give us an alternative to FF and watch me sprint
there is none, unfortunately. the best you can do is Firefox forks. i use zen, some people use librewolf, but that doesn’t change the fact that Mozilla is getting worse every day. idk how we can get past that other than having another whole ass foundation that invests in a new browser.
> talks about monetizing your data
> monetizes your data
Brave still doing that fucking crypto shit in your browser?
I had a coworker excitedly tell me that he had earned a total of $12 MXN ($0.67 USD) from Brave. 🤦♂️
Shit, we’re eating like kings tonight!
Not to mention Brave is just another chromium browser
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BETTER IT NOT EXIST AT ALL
If I went to a restaurant, they placed a hot steaming stinky turd sandwich on my table and then went “oh, but you don’t have to have it”, I still wouldn’t fucking eat there.
Why should we be okay with the Turd Sandwich that is crypto being served by Brave being opt-in???
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There’s a thing called metaphor. A hyperbolic one in this case.
I know that’s not how restaurants work.
And no, it’s not like being asked about the specials, as they don’t cook it and serve it without asking first.
They bring out the hot fresh steaming crypto shit sandwich to you whether you want it or not, and then go “oh, but you don’t have to have it, if you don’t want”
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Ah, deleted from embarrassment, nice
They’re both fucking terrible, but I choose firefox.
My main criteria for a browser is not being Chrome or Chromium based.
This leaves my only options being Firefox and it’s forks.
Or Microsoft Edge which stifles laughter I’m not gonna do.
Currently on Firefox but might give Librewolf a try.
Edit: I’ve been told Edge is also Chromium based now, the Firefox ecosystem really is the last holdout huh?
Edge has been Chromium based since 2020.
What was it based on before that? When windows 10 initially launched. I know old edge sucked, but what engine did it use?
Edge is Chromium-based. It’s also not (functionally) half bad, because, well, it’s chromium based, but that obviously comes with all the other drawbacks
It’s moreso that it’s under Microsoft’s thumb. See all the tech companies are unreliable and out for you data but Microsoft also consistently fumbles on everything. They made Windows and Office then just stopped doing anything new and kept making their old products worse.
Xbox is practically dead, they bought Minecraft and you can feel the vultures circling overhead, even the AI bubble they’re just funding OpenAI and making slight adjustments for their own versions.
I’m planning on jumping ship to Linux when I make a new PC. Only thing Microsoft I even consider using nowadays is VScode.
You can jump to vscodium if you want code but without telemetry
without*
Firefox and maybe Ladybird (if it doesn’t turn into vaporware)
As alternatives to webkit/chromium/gecko browsers go, I like ladybird’s speed of progress and their mentality of doing everything themselves (no external dependencies), but Kling’s political views are concerning. Servo is going slower but still making progress (fell behind in implementing web standards), and both are kinda terrible in terms of speed afaik
Servo I’ve fully not heard of until just now, I’ll have to take a look-see
You have Safari and its forks.
Palemoon is another option.
Safari breaks everything though. Tons of sites out there flat out do not work properly with safari and at this point we all know that’s intentional.
Lol, nobody uses Safari, not even iOS users
Some Gnome users do.
Ah yes, iOS users, famously tech savvy.
Brand Tribalism only supports the brands, don’t fall for their bullshit.
iOS and Android and Microsoft and Linux users are all just as smart as each other.
I said tech savvy, not smart. This isn’t brand tribalism, it comes directly from what you are and aren’t able to do with the OS compared to alternatives.
You can install other browsers without being tech savvy, it was legally mandated that they allow it after them and Microsoft got sued for anti-competition laws by the EU
I wasn’t just referring to browsers, I was referring to the design philosophy as a whole and the type of users it draws.
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If you want a low-drama setup: Firefox + uBlock Origin + tweak Enhanced Tracking Protection to ‘Strict’. Brave is solid too, but I’ve had a few sites act weird with the defaults.
And do that on librewolf or waterfox
Tabs on side and adblock is all i care about. I wish firefox management was doing less harm to firefox, but it’s still better than chrome.
That’s why I use Vivaldi
Oh and this is my 666th comment here on this Lemmy instance, a lot more than Hexbear. Seriously!
That’s why you should never trust a company’s opinion on competitors. The best option for privacy is actually not to have personal data.
Or borrow someone else’s. Lie to advertisers. Be a nuisance. It costs you very little time
Fuck brave for anything other than using it on iOS for YouTube ad free
What do you use on Android?
Revanced
I’d rather have this clash of the titans than whatever the fuck Chrome does next.
They both push AI crap. 😤
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What search engine is that shit? Hiding full URLs in search results is completely unacceptable
I rather use IE than brave
Servo is our only hope
I’m holding out for Crow.
Servo is advertised, atleast what I’ve seen, as a lightweight browser for embedded devices. I’m hyped for ladybird, and servo if it Is going to be focused on more than low power devices
