• JollyG@lemmy.world
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    13 days ago

    Most of the people I know who endorse this view would assent to it because it is consistent with how they feel about the world around them, not because it is a proposition they have seriously considered.

    It just feels like everyone hates Christians, so if someone told them they were being persecuted, they would agree. In the same way, it just feels like nefarious forces are trying to “ban Christmas”, so when idiots on TV claim that is whats happening, they nod their heads along. When challenged they just retreat into ignorance, saying things like “well that’s what I’ve heard” or “I have no idea about that”, because ideas like “the war on Christmas” are not factual claims about the world, they are expressions of sentiments about what the world is like.

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      Persecution is baked right into the Christian religion. It’s also deeply rooted in the Jewish culture, to the point if you’re randomly walking down the street and trip over a duck, the duck was being anti-semitic.

      It’s such a core part of identity for these people it’s kind of sickening. Before you come at me, I was raised in a Christian household and I have Jewish roots from my maternal side.

      There’s no hate, but I’m actually disappointed and continually revolted by the endless sense of persecution that doesn’t really exist.

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      Certain christian groups push that narrative to make more of an in group and and out group. I attend a few different denominations of churches. You get a way to really see how different people view the world and their religion that way.

      Some groups as a core belief that they must struggle to bring the word of God to everyone. Struggle is the operative word. If they don’t feel like they are behind ‘enemy lines’ they aren’t completing the holy mission. The best way to get that feeling is puff up any small difference into an uncross-able gulf.

      There is so much rhetoric made on their communication channels to reinforce that view. They truly believe it because ‘it’s all around them’ It’s way cushier to run a mission trip from the Louisiana to California than it is to a truly under-served part of the world.

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    13 days ago

    One of my coworkers is a militant atheist metalhead. He’s also fully maga cult. He’s been ranting about people saying ‘happy holidays’ all week. It’s a bizarre contradiction.

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    Yes, unfortunately. Or at least seems to.

    This person was an eye-opener for me in terms of how deep political groupthink and unquestioning belief can go. He’s an intelligent person in a highly technical position that requires plenty of reasoning and thought, but if the right political commentator says something, it is absolute truth.

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    At least two people in my friends list have posted the ‘It’s not Happy Holidays, it’s Merry Christmas’ meme on Facebook. Unsurprisingly, they’re both white guys in their 60s with bald / shaved heads. Both decent guys who help their friends and community, but are sliding more and more into this bullshit.

    It’s fucking depressing

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    I know at least 5 and all of them believe Christians are a strongly persecuted minority group.

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    When I worked at Borders, back when it existed, I was allowed to say whatever exit phrase when finishing registers. I always said Happy Holidays starting end of November.

    I had two people tell me no, it’s Merry Christmas. To which both times I responded "I’m Jewish. Happy Holidays. "

    One of them just gathered her stuff and left without a word. The second got that puckered face like you ate a lemon and she fucking stormed out.

    No complaints though so. I kept saying it. I didn’t care if people said Merry Christmas back to me.

    Er, in short, I’d think those two people would have thought I was warring against Christmas.

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    The war is real, but the lines are just dramatically stupider than some think. It’s the same culture war we’re fighting elsewhere, the point of the war is establishing that one singular point of view is the default and the others are invalid.

    The war isn’t about being able to say “Merry Christmas”, the war is about whether it’s okay to say anything else.

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    I think I’d just laugh if I heard that IRL, lol. You’re gonna tell me I’ve been listening to Mariah Carey everywhere I go nonstop for a month for no reason?!

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    Anyone who watches conservative media in the US and UK. Within the last week when the President of the United States was berating the country during a special address about how he’s really doing a good job even though everyone’s worse off, one of his points was that saying Merry Christmas was banned under the previous president.

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    There is no war on Christmas as far as I know. So I’m going to guess it’s another dumb American thing?

    I live in Denmark, and while the celebration is absolutely christianised, it’s sill called “Juletide” here. “Yule” or “Yule-tide” in English. Which refers to the original winter celebration before it got subjugated.

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      You have to remember, a lot of American Christians are descended from European Christians who were so extreme and weird that no one wanted them around, so they fled to the Americas to escape “persecution.” So, these Christian persecution complexes go way back. They’re a part of our history. Well, not all of ours, but some.

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        Yeah, it’s funny hearing the history of certain supermarket products that go like “these were original food items for cultists that fled to America”. Kellogs stands out as a big one.

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      I saw a message under a German post about how you can’t call it a “Weihnachtsmarkt” anymore. But I think that might have been a bot, because it’s pretty damn obvious that that’s bullshit.