• SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 months ago

    (Mass dislikes time!)

    Yes, the US does evil shit in the Middle East. Killing brown-skinned practitioners of the other Abrahamic religion overseas is an American tradition.

    That still doesn’t change the fact that China is persecuting Uyghurs in the Xinjiang province.

    You can’t shit-talk one authoritarian state and cheer on another.

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      4 months ago

      If not reeducation, which method would you prefer China use to combat the foreign radical Wahhabism and terrorism spread by the CIA in Xinjiang for the purpose of regional destabilization and regime change?

      We all know how the US chose to implement its own war on terror. Muslim majority countries in the Middle East support China’s method.

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        Vocational training and extraordinary rendition & torture at a black site are exactly the same. You fool. You absolute baffoon.

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      That still doesn’t change the fact that China is persecuting Uyghurs in the Xinjiang province.

      Previously:

      The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.

      The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same mapimperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.

      Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
      https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 #HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.

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        The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.

        Much like how after China foiled their color revolution attempt in 1989, the CIA had to pivot to the “Tinyman Square Massacre” narrative.

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          Very much like that, and they’re still getting mileage out of it with no effort, because Lemmitors get an endorphin rush every time they do the CIA’s work for free, the brave defenders of freedom & democracy that they are 🤦‍♂️

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      That still doesn’t change the fact that China is persecuting Uyghurs in the Xinjiang province.

      But it’s not a fact though? You can’t imagine up some fictional scenario and then just claim it’s a fact; words have meanings

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      this post isn’t cheering on china, it’s shitting on the west’s hypocrisy.

      also you might want to look up who funded the wahabis who groomed the terrorists that the crackdown is a response to.

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      "Yes, the US does evil shit in the Middle East. Killing brown-skinned practitioners of the other Abrahamic religion overseas is an American tradition.

      That still doesn’t change the fact that Iraq is building weapons of mass destruction to attack the USA.

      You can’t shit-talk one authoritarian state and cheer on another."

      Seriously, how many times do you need to hear it before you western chauvanists realise it’s not about “good or bad”, it’s about trustworthy or untrustworthy.

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      TLDR: please read Against Empire by Michael Parenti

      What would it look like if one wanted to believe the narrative of the most destructive and most parasitic country the world has ever seen against its designated enemy targets?

      Remember this country is responsible for:

      • coups, assasination of leaders and electoral interference in most of the countries of the Global South
      • the most direct wars
      • the most proxy wars
      • Military encriclement of all its designated enemies
      • sanctions (half a million deaths per year as per Lancet)
      • enforcing economic Shock Doctrine wherever it can
      • funding and propping up fascist regimes whereever it can (remember the original 9-11 was the coup and murder against Allende)
      • racketeering all over the global south if they dont bend the knee to IMF structural changes, which itself causes massive localised underdevelopment, human superexploitation, and resource extraction for US benefit. Read it as mass social murder of millions of brown folks. Every fucking year.
      • colour revolutions
      • propping up NGOs all over the global south to destablise them
      • 700 military bases around the world to police this
      • funding, arming and giving a political cover to genocide in Palestine as we speak

      And more by the only country to drop nuclear bombs on civilian populations. Twice.

      No other country in the history of the world comes close to the barbarism.

      And that’s just outside of its borders. Let’s not get into the mass incacerations of the descendants of the slaves it built its wealth on, the ongoing mass poverty, food insecurity, the world’s most expensive police state, the mass surveillance, the child labour, the concentration camps of migrant workers, the daily lynchings by its civil society, the monthly public school masacres due to a degnerate culture of patriarchy and racism, the forcing the orginal peoples of the land to reservations where the life expectancy is 40 years, the ongoing redlining, mass medical bankruptcies etc etc.

      Whereas China: https://thetricontinental.org/studies-1-socialist-construction/

      Think about the people in that article^. Are they truly less free than the folks in the paragraph before the link?

      Others (and I above) have given resources to links why what you said about China is wrong. The problem with that approach is you have already bought into the narrative of the US empire of its designated enemy. I instead will point you in the direction that the US empire is way way worse than even the likes of what Chomsky let’s on:

      • Washington Bullets - Prashad
      • Blackshirts and Reds - Parenti
      • Patriots, Traitors and Empires - Gowan
      • Killing Hope - Blum
      • Against Empire - Parenti

      Let’s start with where we agree with: US = bad. Then please consider reading the above 5 books. Then maybe, just maybe one day in the future there is a sliver of hope you may consider why the “neither washington nor beijing” is still very much pro-washington.

      Yeah, as a westerner on the global stage I am asking you to engage in class betrayal.

      Best of luck.