Reddit tried to sticky this post for moderators around 12p CST today, and they’ve since tried to bury it. Thought it might be good to back up the link here.
Here’s a screenshot so you don’t give the site any traffic
Here’s a condensed version:
“It’s not that mistakes were made, you just got angry. Spontaneously. Weird how that happened, when we love you just, like, so much.
Anyways, let’s move on. Fill out a form to become a member of an unpaid focus group.”
Don’t forget, “We’re gonna pay some of our staff to go to cool cities to meet several of you! What an incredible opportunity for them to get frequent flier miles and for you to show up (again, unpaid) at a fake meeting in your free time. This will surely have some kind of impact on how we run things, in that nothing will change whatsoever.”
Thanks for the screenshot
And here’s a screenshot of a hilarious comment that I found in the modcoord discord
Hey thanks
Unlucky, didn’t see this until after I clicked. The new default for posts about reddit here on Lemmy should be that any links are just screenshots or archived versions or something
You get my Lemmy Gold 🏆
Edit: extra bonus for dark mode screenshot!
thanks. my /etc/hosts file still has: 0.0.0.0 www.reddit (break link) .com
(I find this helps me break habits)
It just brings up RiF for me, which doesn’t work. I’ve only 99% left though, so I can’t pihole it. I copy over some content and use the pages that turn up on Google search results.
I picture the employees playing rock, paper, scissors to determine who was going to have to make that post; I can’t imagine any of them didn’t know how this was going to play out.
…And the dude that won (lost?) didn’t even know how to link his own username. It looks like he did it via an actual hyperlink! Now that is fantastic example out of touch management.
Pardon my literal autism, but can you explain the problematic implication for me, friend? I don’t understand it ^^
On one hand Im happy to see that dumpster fire ignite even more. Then on the other hand Im happy to see all those mods end up not being listened to and frustrated by those who have the power.
You reap what you sow, suckers.
Not a fan of the mobile site making me pinch and zoom the whole page just to get a better look at an embedded image.
Of course I’m not a fan of embedded images in comments all together and hope they make that like a toggleable thing.
It will get there, eventually.
Appreciate you!
honestly this reads like someone who wants to make things right, but is being held back
I can’t tell what that person’s intent is because the post is filled with “I’m sorry you’re upset” platitudes that accept no responsibility or even an understanding of why the mods are so upset in the first place; just more unpaid work they’re expected to do to keep it from happening again.
This comment needs to be pinned lol.
Thanks!
Much love for the post
Let me get this straight- they want mods to have live business meetings with them? As if they’re employees?
I anticipate in the future that that mods will be required to fill out weekly TPS reports. However, if you only have one subreddit you’re moderating, please use up the old cover sheets. If you’re moderating two or more subreddits, please use the new cover sheet. Did you get the memo on this? I’ll send you a copy of the memo.
Yyeeeaaah, I’m gonna need to to stay late and do some more moderating.
At this point, I fully expect reddit to ask the mods to pay a subscription to maintain their mod status in the future.
Once the floodgate of bad decisions has started, it’s not really possible to stop it.
Weekly meetings.
And they will also tour the world! That will surely help with their profitability.
I love that everyone is mad in the thread
I’m also confused why they’re still on Reddit and not over here. Join us, content creators and talented people.
Just came from Reddit. Still testing it out.
Welcome. I am enjoying the Connect app with AMOLED theme and small icons and text. Feels RIF-like.
For me its Voyager
They’d rather gargle reddit balls and complain about the taste than to lose their mod status. Nothing else to it. Let them gargle, they have the platform they deserve.
That’s a rather rude thing to say about people whilst they make an effort to help their communities.
Cool, they can use their subreddits to reroute their communities to better platforms then.
I keep my account so when I see things like this I can go shit on them from a great height.
All moderators are, at best, sub-human.
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No mention of the tools they fucked up that they are replacing? Just a bunch of meetings for people who aren’t employees? Lmao get bent.
What a trainwreck of a thread
OP:
This community filters comments from anyone who isn’t a mod of an active community with more than 50 subscribers. […]
Yep, you’re right. It should be disclosed on the sidebar. We won’t do it right now for obvious reasons, but will have this updated before the next post.
So we’re witnessing a thread of angry mods being angry, OP is cherry picking comments and still can’t manage to listen to them.
Also many of the people complaining that their posts are being filtered are mods of communities larger than 50 users, one person pointed out that they mod two subs of more than 500,000 people.
So they lied while acting pretentious, again. To the surprise of no one.
Lol this saga is just too funny to me now that I’ve jumped ship. The admins just keep digging
I really thought I’d have a harder time leaving, it hasn’t been bad at all. Maybe a day of habit and then poof, I’m free.
There’s a couple of communities like noncredibledefense and ask historians that I still miss but I recognize that communities won’t spring up here overnight
Be the change you want to see and start them!
There is a noncredibledefense here that I should post in more, but I only have an undergraduate degree in history so I wouldn’t feel right posing as a historian
AskHistorians is s particularly special place. It’s not as simple as just starting it.
I miss that one too. Have the mods there discussed moving to Lemmy?
I recall reading they were moving to discord if I’m not mistaken
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Dig up, reddit, Dig up!
They can’t even do bullshit PR correctly. You do the listening tour before the steady stream of unpopular decisions that go against the feedback you just collected.
Holy cow. They’re treating them like employees… Or subjects being given hours in which they can petition the king.
The type of people who would subject themselves to this are… I don’t know man. I really don’t.
What are you upset about? $0/hr is a generous salary.
Yeah, but the perks!
The intent is to provide moderators with a sense of pride and accomplishment.
Honestly I moved over here a couple months ago and haven’t had the urge to look back. I love this place.
Out of curiosity I read that post and top comments. That place just smells tainted now. If that post is on tenth accurate I feel bad for anyone that feels the need to stay and be part of that drama.
The fediverse has felt just so much more comfortable and safe. I hope it stays this way.
This place feels like Reddit felt back in the early '10s. It’s great.
This is the reason why I never posted anything on Reddit but started here.
Exactly! I remember the excitement back in 2006/2007 when I first tried it. Not much content back then, but it felt like freedom.
It’s far better than reddit is but real discussions still aren’t allowed to happen. Before 2016 or so I was still subscribed to /politics because while we didn’t always agree, we could at least discuss. Then in 2016 everyone got TDS and became a fragile child, unable to handle adult topics without banning or reporting. Wrongthink became a reality. And it’s very much a reality here at lemmy.world and other large fediverse instances.
Before 2016 you didn’t have right wing bots convincing all the fringe morons to band together for fascism. I was on Reddit before, discourse was civil until the right went crazy and started believing anything that aligned even slightly with their views. Then anyone who disagreed was a “fragile child” or criticizing their leaders was met with the likes of “TDS”. All they do is parrot buzzwords.
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I don’t mind downvotes. But I cannot debate when banned.
And there is no subtlety in the mods behaviour. They ban based on dog whistles that only they can hear.
I see that negative vote count has been removed and now the post just says “0”. We’re living in the thin-skin age.
Fuck Reddit and fuck everyone running it. During my last months there I was subject to continuous harassment and explicit death threats from one specific troll. When I brought this to the admins, they told me pound sand. They didn’t do a fucking thing. Nothing.
I’m very tempted to put together a dossier of all these interactions and start sending emails to marketing departments of the most common reddit advertisers and make sure they understand the platform they are using to sell shit to people.
I’m very tempted to put together a dossier of all these interactions and start sending emails to marketing departments of the most common reddit advertisers and make sure they understand the platform they are using to sell shit to people.
Do it.
Yes please
If you’re comfortable with doing so, make that dossier public as well
They nuked almost all my accounts the other day. I talked a bunch of shit on the direction they are going and missing Aaron’s leadership. I walked away and here I am. One account I never log in on and with only 3 posts, perma banned. It was obviously targeted…
I worked at the same place as Aaron Swartz, actually. It’s also gone to shit. RIP Aaron.
We lost a good man to corp/gov tyranny that day.
I did the same. Except I kept the porn stuff. Cause you know the advertisers love that stuff.
NIIIIICE, monkey wrench in the system! I have alts I don’t use to keep my NSFW subs up. I just have to get creative they don’t find the connection. It kills me cause none of them are HC, mostly fetish models I to an interest in…
Same, after I said:
If you’re going to run a poll to decide the future of this sub, you should have the poll be off-reddit and linked here. They’ve edited comments in the past, what makes you think they wouldn’t edit poll results to favor them?
I assume they’ve been browser fingerprinting for a long time since they banned 8+ accounts, including ones I haven’t logged in to for like 4 years (I created a new account every time one hits ~10k karma for privacy)
Just found another one perma banned, 1 post Karma 3:1
They did the same to me, I was the top moderator and creator of Animalsbeingderps and Amsterdaments, and had 10-11 years of almost daily content and discussions, I was in general quite outspoken about conservatism and racism on reddit, and the IRL cultures that breed these types of mentalities. I was also pretty active on vaporents which was in nono territory for a while. First all of my alt accounts were permabanned, then the first time I made a comment on lemmy against reddit’s actions with this account, my main account was also permabanned. Bloody priceless.
Why any moderator is still giving that website their time I have no idea. Is it just an addiction at this point? Just leave, the reddit owners actively mock you and despise you.
That’s why I’m here.
Some of us have built real communities over there, full of people we know and like. Those places have lasted years, and it’s like Cheers.
I do not fault people for wanting to keep that alive. And no, moving hundreds or thousands of people to a new platform isn’t feasible, especially when some features like private communities don’t yet exist.
you don’t need to move hundreds of thousands of people to a new platform, you just need to move the people you know and like.
I’m super old, I’ve been around on the internet since the early days. we always did this, we always moved. reddit was a place we moved to once, Now i left that behind because it’s shit, its falling apart and its run by pricks. But it’s okay because you just move to the next thing. the idea of dying on a sinking ship for the addiction of not changing something is really quite new.
In addition, it’s not like that community is going to vanish if some people move and some don’t. you just don’t have to prop up reddits bloated crappy website by actively supporting it with moderation.
Sorry, I meant to say hundreds or thousands. I’ve edited it.
You’re preaching to the choir here. I’ve obviously moved. But lots of others haven’t, and I’m not going to fault them for wanting to keep those relationships alive.
I think you’re overly simplifying the issue regardless. Communication platforms are only as good as the people on them. Case in point, a bunch of my friends and I used to use Google Chat until the XMPP kerfuffle. I wanted to move elsewhere, but all my friends didn’t want to use anything else; Google worked great for them. So, sure, I created a jabber account, signal accounts, wire accounts, etc. They’re all a waste because I’ve got nobody to talk to. My mom isn’t going to use jabber. (I now use Matrix to connect to all those accounts like Google Chat, so I get to have my cake and eat it too. But I’m still technically using their platform, and my friends didn’t move, so I don’t count that.)
Same thing here. Sure, I can use Lemmy on the toilet to get my memes or whatever. Engage in other conversations and debates (like this), but that’s just one facet of how I used Reddit. My friends aren’t here. And they aren’t coming anytime soon; they don’t care about what Reddit is doing, they’re not mods, they don’t use 3rd party apps. So yeah, I still use Reddit a couple times a week from my desktop to check in with that community. I feel bad doing it, but I’d feel bad not doing it too. Maybe one could say if they were truly my friends they’d come with me, but there’s far more of them than me.
Good Lord that admin is insufferable.
“We’ve had a … time.” You’re a … douchebag.
I mean they’re just doing their job. Blame the board of directors and CEO. What are they supposed to do? Contradict the main strategy and get fired?
They’re a PR robot, not really acting as a person but a machine
They’re also a VP of Community. As someone with such a specialized purpose specifically in this area, we should have expected a better performance.
I disagree completely.
First, I thought we’d already collectively agreed that “I’m just following orders” doesn’t cut it as an excuse.
Second, he’s a VP, and as someone in a position of leadership he’s very much an active part of the problem.
I’ve known companies where a VP title doesn’t mean much of anything. At the end of the day, he takes orders from the CEO and the board. What do you expect him to do?
The only thing that would make people happy would be reversing the changes. Is he gonna come out and say “hey everybody, I’ve unilaterally made the decision to go against the board and reverse the changes”
They would just delete the post and fire him.
Or would he say “yes we are a very bad company and our CEO did bad things. I’m very sorry but this is the best I can do”
He’s getting a sit down and is lucky if he doesn’t get fired.
There’s literally nothing he can say that will a) stay in line with his job title and b) alleviate the concerns of the users
Also “just taking orders” is a valid defense for many many many transgressions. It only really breaks down when we start going into crimes against humanity / war crimes like at the Nuremberg Trials. And I don’t know about you, but a private company exercising their God given right to fuck their consumers is a bit different than mass genocide.
Having said all that, and on a tangent. What would you do? You’re a Nazi soldier. You’re not a zealot, just the average Joe Schmoe who joined the army because of a long family history. You think of yourself as a good and tolerant person and don’t really like the Nazis but you go along with it because you rather like breathing.
Your commanding officer gives you a gun and tells you to shoot a Jew in the head. If you refuse, you get sent to prison for insubordination or maybe just get shot in the head right on the spot.
What do you do? If you kill the Jew, you end up getting tried for war crimes after the war and boom you’re getting executed anyway.
Really the best thing to do is shoot yourself in the head because you’re busted either way. That’s the position people like the VP are in. There’s nothing you can do. I don’t blame him the slightest- he’s doing his job. Blame the people giving the orders.
As VP he most likely stands to get a decent payout from the IPO.
It’s easy to think of Reddit as a dictatorship where everyone is deathly afraid of big bad spez, but the reality is that these types of corporate structures are usually completely rotten at the top.
Let me put it another way: do you think if spez were to be run over by a bus tomorrow, anything would change?
I’ll ignore your comments about the Nazis before we Goodwin this thread, but dude, what an awful comparison.
Ok maybe I went a little overboard on the comparison - I spent some time reading about the Nuremberg trials because of your comment and how lots of people used the “my superiors ordered me to” as a defense
My point mainly is - regardless if VP agrees with it or not. He probably does agree with it otherwise he wouldn’t be VP.
The point is he can’t really contradict the board’s decision regardless. Yes I agree it’s not spez by himself. They’re setting him up to take the fall just like they did with Pao back in the day.
I’m just saying - VP is just doing his job. He likely doesn’t have much influence, at least on this topic. Spez publicly put his foot down and that’s that. Can’t contradict at this point.
And I understand “I’m just taking orders” isn’t always a defense, we also must consider that this is totally legal and unethical for them to do. I don’t agree with it - which is why I got off reddit. But it’s their private platform so they’re well within their rights
Tldr: hate on the board and people who steer the ship imo
We need to take responsibility for what we do. “Just doing my job” has been an excuse used for centuries to do atrocities.
But this is not an atrocity. This is a bad attempt at PR that would have been done by any employee because they would have been told. I don’t have anything against a PR person, just the Reddit corporate leadership
No one should participate in a single meeting until they fire Steve Huffman. They cannot begin to mend the shit relationship they created unless they apologize for his bullshit…and that apology won’t mean anything if he still works there.
Fucking eh. So good to see some honest reddit mods keeping the admins honest. The reddit wide bans for frivolous reasons would be a good improvement too. They went ban-happy for a while there
