Weird how it seems like it’s all for women and safe sex but then criticizes a tool women have to checks notes take control of their sex lives and make decisions about getting pregnant.
Non-surgical birth control options for women tend to come with a lot of side effects and a number of risks that don’t always outweigh the benefit. Hormonal birth control can cause tons of problems for the women taking them and some of them are associated with life-threatening side effects like increased risk of clotting leading to DVTs, PEs, and strokes.
Yes, and male birth control doesn’t solve these problems because the only way to be 100% sure is to be on birth control yourself, especially important with huge chunks of the US banning abortions
It’s not a great option for more casual encounters or early in relationships, but for established couples that already have children and don’t want more or are in a committed, trusting relationship, male birth control opens the possibility for the male partner to ease the burden of birth control effort and side effects.
And it’s their choice to pick that option and it’s not my place to remove that option because I’m done rando on the Internet who thinks he knows better
I’m absolutely not advocating for removing that option. However, increasing the options for male birth control is necessary for a wide variety of reasons, including allowing male partners to take the burden off of their female partner if she isn’t able to tolerate the side effects or can’t find a birth control method that actually works well for her. It is, in effect, another birth control option for women to be able to defer some responsibility to a male partner in a committed relationship.
I just checked and yeah, your comment didn’t say anything about birth control options for men and only talked about the negative effects of the pill.
So you see why one would think that you were trying to say that the birth control pill is a bad thing and that we should remove it.
Later that night:
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Not everything is a conspiracy against women
It’s less of a conspiracy and more that it didn’t even occur to society until pretty recently (in historical terms) that reproduction isn’t solely a woman’s responsibility
Well yes. But it also occured to society that stopping 1 egg per month is easier than millions of sperm every day.
This sounds like it would make sense on the surface, but is just not true. You can look up pretty easily that there wasn’t really any research on the viability of male hormonal birth control until half a century after female hormonal birth control became a thing, so it’s not like they made a rational decision based on scientific findings. When they found out how to do it for men, it was roughly comparably complicated, with similar side effects. This too is easy to look up.
It makes sense that the side effects were too much to legalize hormonal male birth control because today’s standards are much higher. Which is a good thing ofc- im glad they don’t allow new medication as easily as they did in the past. Female birth control wouldn’t be legalized if it was invented today, and neither would, for example, aspirin. They get to stay around because they don’t take that stuff back out usually, even if it wouldn’t pass modern standards. That’s a bit of a tangent though.
Many men would LOVE a reliable, non-condom, male-controlled birth control method
Currently for men there are two options — condoms, which are problematic and difficult in several ways, or vasectomy, which is essentially permanent or at least difficult and uncertain to be reversed.
The third method is to take WAY too many TOO HOT baths, but that also has uncertainty and is a real hassle.
As it stands, really for men they either need to use a condom, or trust that your female partner is reliable.
100% agree. The fact that they’re only researching it now has been hurting everyone involved.
Is that why men have been wrapping their dicks in all sorts of weird shit for thousands of years? Animal intestines and bladders to name but a few. Fuck your “in historical terms”, youre talking out of your arse, just like every other sexist who makes hating men part of their personality.
Why is everyone in this thread acting like men are always the ones providing and insisting on using barrier methods? Have yall talked to a woman who’s had casual sex before about what it’s like out there?
Yes, men AND women are both taking responsibility. Just because you can point to few cases of morons, doesnt make “women are sluts who use abortion as birth control” anymore true than the bullshit youre pedalling. But nice try, trying to get out of the “historical terms” bullshit, but shifting the focus to modern day… Doesnt at all make you look desperate to be right, regardless of facts…
Theres bad apples in every bunch. Only a bigot tries to frame that bad apple as the whole bunch.
Ok I’ll ignore the name calling one last time.
I’ll put it super simply, in the hope that you misunderstanding me wasn’t as intentional as it comes across
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barrier methods have always been, and continue to be, a shared responsibility
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all other non-permanent methods have been purely on women until very recently.
Ignore whatever the fuck you like. Youre bigoted cunt, and thats all there is to it. You dont like being called out? Have you tried, not being a perpetually online sexist piece of shit? Fuck you.
Can you please point out the thing I said that you consider sexist, and why? I’m striving not to be, and like to learn where I can.
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It’s the woman who’d get pregnant and who doesn’t want to. Should she rely on whether the men took their pills correctly? Taking hormones sucks for many women, but they’re happy to be able to have birth control in their hands.
Yeah, I think people forget why the pill was such a game changer: It allowed women, without the permission or knowledge of their husband/sexual partner, to decide whether or not they wanted to get pregnant.
Nah, this isn’t a great point at all… even at face value really.
Put slightly differently, if we’re assuming people sleep around as much as the text implies, if we focus on birth control solely for men, then one ‘failure’/non-controlled man would result in a ton of pregnancies. If the onus is on women, then one ‘failure’/non-controlled woman would result in one pregnancy.
It doesn’t stand up on its own terms on other levels as well.
Even the most cynical misandrist interpretation of how research is funded would still lean towards men being given the agency on whether sex lead to pregnancy.
The most commonly produced, available, and used birth control method worldwide is the latex condom, used by everyone who has a penis. Try again.
This.
The Lemmycels are pretty angry at this one, but on the other hand it’s pretty silly to trust dudes with birth control when you’re the one that gets pregnant.
But we’ve had the technology to make it an option for a long time
Sure, but as others have pointed out you’d still just end up with literally everyone on birth control.
Which is fine. Certainly makes random failures less likely.
You still need it.
When you see a driver running a red light, you still brake even if your light is green.
9!? You think I can cum 9 times a day!? And apparently hit the egg every fucking time too? I don’t mean to question the conclusion because I think birth control should be both parties’ responsibility, but I think your premise reveals a distinct lack of grasp on biological reality. Why stop at 9? Why not 900? Really drive your point home! My dick is going to be useless after number 2 or 3 anyway.
“hit the egg” 🤣😂😭
If i cum today and i want to cum tomorrow i will already feel a weaker sensation, probably if i cum 2/3 time in a day that sensation will be as good as laughing at a joke that isn’t even that funny
Cocaine is your friend here, good sir.
“Okay, yea, my nose is always bleeding, my heart is on the verge of exploding, and I am at constant risk of having a seizure at any time. But my dick is rock hard and I can cum like 10 times before I start bleeding from the chafing. Wanna fuck?”
Who recommends coke to help your sex life? What is this, 1988? My guy, no one needs that much sex. If you do, and you use coke to help you, you might have two addictions.
I’m being facetious: it would actually work, but it’s a stupid idea. Forgot the /s.
I think she liked the number nine because 9 months pregnancy so she used the number 9 for everything in her hypothetical scenario
Why stop at 9
I got snipped so my wife didn’t have to do the hormonal bullshit. Her doctor is putting her back in it because women’s bodies literally do not want them to be happy.
I think if I busted a nut 9 times a day, I would just simply just vanish.
If the numbers were correct and your aim was to reduce pregnancies, you could prevent 90% of pregnancies by getting roughly 90% of sexually active women to take the pill. Getting 99.95% of sexually active men to take the pill would have NO effect whatsoever on the pregnancy rate, because the remaining 1 in 2000 men would continue to meet and impregnate a woman roughly once every hour for roughly 12 hours a day (with breaks for food and resting his dick a tiny bit) for 9 months straight, with time to visit 430 women a second time in case these miracle impregnators somehow didn’t always impregnate on first meeting a woman. (This would very drastically reduce diversity in the gene pool and the world would be very very very badly interbred within two generations.)
But of course humans don’t behave like the numbers suggest AT ALL, thank goodness.
Genghis Khan has entered the chat
It’s easier to prevent ovulation of one egg than stop a billion sperm cells from reaching their destination. Stop politicising biology.
Uh, it’s been done. Multiple times.
First was this one back in 2016, but the caveat was that it had the same side effects as women’s birth control. Since the patient being prescribed isn’t the one who will experience negative health outcomes without the medications, the harm of those side effects was deemed by researchers (not the patients themselves) to be greater than the risk of impregnating someone else.
Other hornonal options have come out since then, though not on the consumer market, like this hormonal gel and this pill.
More recently its been done without hormones by blocking a vitamin A metabolite that signals the production of sperm.
You’re the one “politicising biology” by using it to dismiss this out of hand without even the most basic level of research or respect for the complexity of the topic.
It’s easier to castrate men than to expect women to take medication with a wide array of side potential effects, stop politicising healthcare x
