19 states have “no more changing the clocks” laws passed, but aren’t allowed to do so without approval of the federal government?

It’s pretty obvious you can just do what you want these days, consequences are trivial to non-existent, so why don’t we just not change our clocks? (or change them and not change them back, whatever floats your boat)

  • AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world
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    Time zones were originally mandated for the sake of railroads: before trains each town used its own local time, and each locality refused to change their clocks to match anyone else’s. So time zones were set by the federal government because there was little chance that every town in the country would reach a consensus otherwise.

    When DST was introduced much later, time zones were already an accepted thing—so the federal government gave states the discretion to adopt DST or not. But they have to take it or leave it: they can’t make it year-round because that would effectively move them to a different time zone, which is still the prerogative of the federal government.

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    The answer is that there is a law, The Uniform Time Act.

    Ad to why we just don’t ignore it, I’m sure it’s because the support for it just isn’t strong enough to merit ignoring a federal law.

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      I wager we could get New Hampshire, Vermont, or Texas to challenge the uniform time act as a violation of the 9th amendment just for the fun of it.

      I wouldn’t put it past California, either.

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      If States aren’t allowed to change their clock time, they could instead designate that standard work/business and school hours will shift to an hour later during DST (or I guess vice versa if they want to go the other way). That way everyone is still getting up and going to bed at the same actual time, even though it’s at a different clock time.

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    So I had trouble finding a breakdown of those 19 states and what the specifics of those laws are. In general what you have are 19 states who want to do it. However some of those 19 explicitly call out waiting to enact the law until A, the federal government first passes a similar law and/or B, neighboring states also pass similar laws.

    Basically no one wants to go first, but they’re ready once everyone else is. While switching twice a year is painful, being the only one not to switch is also painful, possibly more than just switching.

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      being the only one not to switch is also painful, possibly more than just switching.

      As an Arizonan, I disagree with this point. I don’t really experience any downsides with not switching and I think very few people would.

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    19 states have “no more changing the clocks” laws passed, but aren’t allowed to do so without approval of the federal government?

    I think you’re confused…

    To my knowledge states want everyone to agree not to do it. But don’t want to stop doing it and be different to the states that do.

    It doesn’t sound like a big deal, but for reasons that should be really apparent right now. We shouldn’t want a big federal government deciding all this shit.

    If Idaho doesn’t want to do daylight savings time, or wants to always do it. Or switch back every third Tuesday of every other month…

    That’s up to Idaho.

    People love to talk about how the Senate favors small states, but no one wants to talk about the reason why it never mattered, was the federal government as a whole had very little power at first.

    But a strong central government is easier for oligarchs to control, so for all the reasons we don’t want one, we’ve ended up with one.

    It doesn’t make sense to keep putting all the power into something a minority of American have oversized say in.

    Tldr:

    Why can’t we (states) ignore clock changes without the federal government?

    There’s no reason states can’t just do it.

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    The article has this heading:

    No, permanent daylight saving time wouldn’t be better for you

    followed by

    Weed and her team found that a permanent shift to DST [is] less damaging than the current biannual back-and-forth

    which pretty clearly contradicts the heading.

    I’m in favor of getting rid of the clock change regardless of which time is permanently adopted. There seems to be some North/South split in preferences which might reasonably be addressed by redrawing time zones.

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    If you don’t work nights, be glad that you don’t lose an hour on your paycheck every spring

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      If you show up to work and all your appointments an hour late for the next 6 months, you’ll feel the consequences.

      Anyway at 2am on Nov 2nd most of our smart phones & other devices will automatically throw back to 1am unless you adjust your phone settings in defiance.