• lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    This argument never made sense to me. The people who say that the new fascism will call itself antifascist also claim to be against fascism so this equals out. It just doesn’t make sense as a gotcha. Antifa is demonstrably against fascistic politics and that’s the gotcha if there is one

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      One comment I saw eons ago explained it, it went something like this

      “Imagine theres a group called Team-No-Bad-Guy. They gather to yell to stop people doing bad guy things. You don’t like those people that they yell at, but you don’t like the non-yelling methods Team-No-Bad-Guy uses sometimes. Team-No-Bad-Guy hears you say this and calls you a bad guy and begin yelling at you. You realize that they can call anyone bad guys and you wonder how things would be for you after the big bad guys were gone.”

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        This makes a lot of sense when talking about centralized organizations and movements like the French or Bolshevik revolution. There is a text called something like “why the Paris commune abolished the guillotine and so should we” describing how the guillotine was more and more used against anyone differing from “party line”. Similar stories about Russia and for example Kronstadt.

        A decentralized organization like antifa on the other hand doesn’t have a party line. They can’t gain domination over a state. There are individual groups that go rogue but they have no guillotine nor state apparatus and they are a minority within antifa

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      2 days ago

      This argument never made sense to me.

      Don’t worry, it’s just because they’re not arguing from a place of good faith. They are often not even serious or thoughtful enough to even understand that they’re arguing in bad faith, it’s just they have strong feelings and not enough capability to form logical arguments in their heads to fight their own discomfort with foreigners or people of color or having to respect people’s gender identity. (It’s almost ALWAYS about race or sex.)

      This is why centrism is dead. There is no “middle ground” between having paralyzing hangups and emotion-driven policies and not having these things. Either you get incredibly sweaty and ashamed watching interracial cuckolding porn or you’re chill and don’t care. There is very little overlap.

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      To me it seems at least kind of suspicious if someone has a shared hobby with fascists of sharing videos of people being assaulted or killed and talking about how much they deserved it, and are enforcing groupthink in a similar way. It feels like they are playing the same game and must share many of the same ways of thinking, even if they are nominally on different teams. Maybe that isn’t what Antifa is really about, but people I’ve known who self identified with it have been like that. I worry that engaging with and relating to politics that way is all heading to a similar place regardless of on-paper beliefs, so the way this comic depicts a physical refusal to even acknowledge the thought is kind of chilling.