London’s Metropolitan Police arrested another 492 people over the weekend after a protest Saturday in Trafalgar Square, as the Starmer government accelerated its crackdown on opposition to the Gaza genocide.

The entirely peaceful protest was held to oppose the proscription of Palestine Action. It was organised by Defend Our Juries and attended by over 1,000 people. Of the arrests, 488 were for holding up signs declaring, “I oppose genocide. I support Palestine Action”.

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      Folks who get really up in their feelings about the Trump/Harris election seem to forget that Harris was taking campaign advice from this guy. It’s so easy to forget how absolutely poisoned so-called “Liberal Democracy” has become with a broad strain of fascist tendency.

      On the one hand, you’ve got a guy who is looking to literally lay siege to cities in the US that didn’t vote for him. On the opposite side of the pond, they’re doing mass-arrests of anyone with a “Please Stop Killing Brown People” bumper sticker. And in the middle, a sea of smug dipshits posting “You got what you voted for”.

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        Liberals will ALWAYS end up siding with the Fascists to try to suppress the Left. Happened in Germany in the 1930s, and the dumbass liberals eventually ended up lined up against the same walls the communists and socialists were lined up against. If you’re a liberal today and defending this fascist suppression against Palestine Action: you’re next.

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          Happened in Germany in the 1930s

          Happened in the 1910s, even. Hence the old quip about Bernie Sanders killing Rosa Luxemburg.

          dumbass liberals eventually ended up lined up against the same walls the communists and socialists were lined up against

          Or marched out into the snows of Russia to seize more Lebensraum for the imperial core. Or just bombed to death in Dresden or Berlin when the front lines collapsed.

          If you’re a liberal today and defending this fascist suppression against Palestine Action: you’re next.

          The hard math of living in a fascist state is standing up and getting shot today or ducking and hiding in hopes you won’t get shot tomorrow.

          Liberals made their bed back in 2009. We’re all just living in the aftermath.

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          I’d argue that the Liberals are a little farther down the line. This administration isn’t finished bullying women, intellectuals, non-Caucasians and the queer community to death, they’re just getting started.

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        What about the other 160 or so democracies? How they doin?

        Especially the proportional representation ones. FPTP is just a hint of democracy.

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          What about the other 160 or so democracies?

          I’m not sure where you’re getting your numbers, but…

          In 2024, just 6.6% of the world population lived in “full democracies”, falling from 12.5% a decade ago. Overall, the vast majority of these countries are in Europe, with notable exceptions—such as Japan, Mauritius, and Costa Rica—across other global regions.

          I’m counting far less than 160.

          FPTP is just a hint of democracy.

          Sure. But then IRV still gave us NYC Eric Adams as mayor of New York. There’s more to democracy than the shape of your ballot.

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            Calling Japan a full democracy is a stretch. They’ve been ruled by one party for over half a century, and definitely not b/c they’re good at their jobs.

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            In 2024, just 6.6% of the world population lived in “full democracies”,

            I’m counting far less than 160.

            Sorry I didn’t make any claims as to what constitutes a “full” democracy, I was going with these guys who put it at about 167 “democracies”.

            Sure. But then IRV still gave us

            IRV is just FPTP+. Like you say, it isn’t an electoral system so much as a ballot system.

            We studied it, in Canada, under the name “Alternative Vote”. It was the only one we could find that was worse than FPTP:

            https://www.ourcommons.ca/content/Committee/421/ERRE/Reports/RP8655791/errerp03/06-RPT-Chap4-e_files/image002.gif

            There’s a reason why politicians keep suggesting it, and it’s not for our benefit.

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              Sorry I didn’t make any claims as to what constitutes a “full” democracy

              I’d settle for what defines “democracy” at all. I’ve seen folks claim El Salvador is a democracy while Nicaragua isn’t, entirely because the government of El Salvador is politically aligned with the US and the Nicaraguans are not.

              IRV is just FPTP+

              I don’t really care what flavor of election system you think is the right one. However you square it, you can have shit candidates win popular mandates. There is no system that’ll keep people you don’t like out of office, shy of a dictatorship that puts you in charge.

              There’s a reason why politicians keep suggesting it

              Suggesting it? Thirteen states have now banned ranked-choice voting as municipalities decide on whether to adopt it

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                I met an Aussie in Thailand who claimed that ranked ballot elections are undemocratic, that recent Australian protests were not racist, that immigration was a huge problem in Australia, that Australians are not actually racist at all, and that recent Australian protests were about protesting Palestine, and not racist at all.

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                I don’t really care what flavor of election system you think is the right one.

                You’re against logic and reason?

                However you square it, you can have shit candidates win popular mandates. There is no system that’ll keep people you don’t like out of office, shy of a dictatorship that puts you in charge.

                I’m not interested in a system that will keep people I don’t like out of office. I’m interested in a system that represents the will of the people, rather than the will of a select rich and powerful few.

                If you’re willing to care, you might find one.

                Suggesting it? Thirteen states have now banned ranked-choice voting as municipalities decide on whether to adopt it

                I don’t see the problem here, like I said, it’s worse than FPTP.

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      Real question:

      Im going tongo tin foil haters a bit with the implication:

      If you have a faist government why not just bring back the royal family as the leaders?

      I get that facism is different than monarchism but many of the key distinctions aren’t that significant imo, in that they both lean heavily towards autocracy and both Aggressively punish dissent.