• RandomlyGeneratedName@lemmy.world
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    The billionaire backed right wing takeover playbook is international - not just the US. Billionaires are a plague on democracies everywhere.

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      I don’t understand why the billionaires think they are somehow off limits or immune to social chaos. They will always be surrounded by the working class, since someone needs to cook their food, wash their clothes, and raise their kids.

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    Fascism is back like in the late 1920s, we all know what happened right after.

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      Hmm, the guy who manipulated his stock price to make himself the richest man in the world and fixed the election for Trump also supported AfD. Surely it’s a coincidence

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        There is money required for running campaigns and advertisements and making deals.

        What it won’t do is magically populate a country with fascists, supremacists, and other extreme right wing types. Those would have to already be around.

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          German here.

          Many Germans firmly believe the AfD is not a nazi party. Many Germans defend them because the AfD tells them what they want to hear: “It’s not your fault that you haven’t struck it big yet in your life, it’s the insert minority/marginalized group of the month’s fault.” They truly believe that the AfD will help them.

          It’s the same obvious, fascist playbook that they pulled in the US and people eat it up while laughing at your idiot president.

          It’s insane. People are incapable of questioning themselves and thus incapable of learning.

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            “It’s not your fault that you haven’t struck it big yet in your life, it’s the insert minority/marginalized group of the month’s fault.” They truly believe that the AfD will help them.

            Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that how it literally started with Adolf Hitler!?

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              In essence, yes. Or at least that was a big part of Hitler’s campaign.

              Back then it was the Jews and socialists gutting Germany by accepting unconditional surrender after WW1 (Dolchstoßlegende), today it’s immigrants, especially muslims, trying to impose their culture upon us.

              (/s) But what happened in 1933 cannot happen again because now we are so much smarter and people back then were dumb. (/s)

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          They didn’t kill them all in 1945 you know.

          You are going to protest that they 've learned from that. They just learned not to say the word Nazi just like they learned not to oppose Jews instead of opposing genocide.

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    UK, France, and now Germany. The far-right really is winning everywhere huh… What can we do? Is there still hope?

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      idk, honestly. usually this kind of tribalism burns itself out after a World War and a bunch of atrocities. there’s a global empathy shortage… too much hate and too little love.

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        usually this kind of tribalism burns itself out after a World War and a bunch of atrocities. there’s a global empathy shortage… too much hate and too little love.

        It’s the understandable pent up anger because of failed promises by ruling elites, hiding behind fake smiles and platitudes, who are supposed to be representative of the people. The older I get, the less the Star Wars Prequel becomes meesa Jar Jar-y. Lucas touched on toxic masculinity and the lack of positive male role models, and I think he saw something in history that none of us have twenty years ago, on how toxic masculinity influences real politics. It’s obvious now how fascism has connection to toxic masculinity, but I think only few saw it at the time.

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      It’s happening here in Australia too. I’m watching the slow rise after being lucky enough to escape the US.

      I wrote about my experience going to a racist rally a month or so ago with my husband and children.

      It was supposed to be peaceful and I wouldn’t have expected to be putting my kids in danger.

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      The only time nazis go down is when they are put down. The free world needs strength to do what’s necessary and avoid the paradox of tolerance.

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    The German government has to get going to finally show some tangible results. The last government, at least at the end, did basically nothing, the current one is not fulfilling its promises, either, and people are left standing, seeing that money is spent everywhere but for the peoples needs.

    The chancellor is 100% in the pockets of the rich, so properly taxing the top 5% to get the money to fix things is completely out of question. But that is a problem other governments seem to have, too. As if fairly taxing the rich was against some physical law of the universe. Or if taxing capital income as high as income from work would open the gates of hell.

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      Correction for you: the last government was heavily criticized by the media about the most absurd things nonstop for years.

      The media could have used all this energy to write against the afd and we would have a different result now. Apparently it was more important to shit on a left wing liberal government than to save democracy.

      Our worst chancellor since 1945 used the program of the afd as his own to keep them small. This never works. This always legitimizes right wing populist parties and does not weaken them.

      The current government may not even last 4 years and then its pro Putin fascists in power.

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        That’s the problem. The current government has to deliver. FAST. And they have not understood that yet, I’m afraid.

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    It is a f*cking disgrace for the US and even more for Europe electing fascists.

    Electing opinions over facts. But as an european I’m not surprised, sadly.

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    Well one of the downside of learning German after living blissfully ignorant for over a decade here is that I can now understand Germans talking around me, and holy fuck have I been exposed to such rampant racism. Kinda explains both the Nazi past, and the current popularity of AfD, and upcoming future Holocaust 2.0.

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      To be honest the far right is up in a lot of places.

      This is a result of the ever growing divide between the rich and the poor, the cost of living crisis, the AI future where a lot of young individuals are struggling finding jobs, the unaffordability of living spaces, etc.

      Look what is happening in the US, that’s what’s scarier, where the right-wing is thriving and they are turning into an autocratic state, with suppression of civil liberties, abuse of power, etc. And they are desperately trying to export this ideology across the Atlantic. They don’t want a strong EU, that can threaten their hegemony and they consider the EU as a threat, long gone are the days of friendship and partnership.

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      Don’t let them get to you. Its like 1000 people doing this. We can change it still.

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    You can see what’s happening in the USA, Germany. That’s really what you want for yourself? Again?

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      Pretty much all the adults from WWII are dead. Notice we’re doing the same stupid shit? Gilded Age wealth gap, tariffs, fascism, heading for a depression, etc.?

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    I keep saying it again and again, but this is the future of European politics. The “progressive” brand of politics that was very pro-immigration in the 2000s and 2010s is dead. The establishment parties that are choosing to cling to it are going to get burned by this gamble.

    The reality is that Western Europe handled immigration horribly and there are real issues and people are facing real consequences. The reasonable course of action to address these issues and try to resolve them. However, establishment parties simply refuse to do anything. They either pretend these issues don’t exist or that they’re not that bad, and then blame any criticism of these issues or policies as racists. It is a stupid and elitist approach that is leading people to seek out alternatives.

    What’s the alternative? It’s these far right parties, they’re the only ones who address the issues of immigration and want to do something about them. The polls regularly show that these far right parties are entirely fueled by anti-immigration sentiment. That is why people flock to them and why they’re relevant. Their prominence in European politics sends a loud statement as to the failures of the establishment parties. They’re so incompetent and out of touch, that they’re being bested by foreign funded grifter parties that offer worse policies and more extreme rhetoric.

    But it doesn’t have to be this way. These far right parties are only inevitable if the establishment parties double down on their mistakes. But what if they don’t do that? What if they wise up and adapt to the current political climate, what would happen? Well there is a country who’s establishment parties did this, and that’s Denmark. It is the only Western European country where it’s establishment left wing parties figured out the secret formula. They kept the popular economic and social policies, but also adopted a reasonable anti-immigration platform to match the will of the people, and guess what? It worked, Denmark doesn’t have a far right party surging in the polls. They kept what worked, and fixed what didn’t, thus leading them to neutralize the far right. This is the model that the rest of Europe is going to find itself adopting sooner or later.

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      A country should never give into its worst tendencies. There has been plenty of racism already, more isn’t going to fix it and it won’t fix you.

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        Equating reasonable immigration policy with racism is false and wrong. This is the mentality that the far right exploits to boost their popularity. If the left refuses to be practical and flexible on immigration policy, then their inability to adapt will be their downfall. Europe has to follow the Danish model or these far right parties will continue to grow in popularity and win elections… That’s not a future I want to see

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            I don’t know if you’re intentionally being stupid or not, but Denmark isn’t America. Denmark doesn’t have massive untapped reserves of mega corporations or the giga billionaires that don’t pay taxes and control a massive chunk of the country’s wealth like the US. In fact, the opposite is true. Denmark has one of the lowest wealth and income inequality levels in the world. It’s people already have one of the highest tax rates in the world, and the country is one of the most efficiently run. Denmark is at or near it’s capacity, so where is this magical money going to come from?

            Not to mention that there are way more issues with uncontrolled immigration than just economic. Large uncontrolled influxes of people lead to very real and serious social and political problems. Take a look at nearby Sweden and how they’re having massive issues with skyrocketing crime rates fueled by second and third generation immigrants or nearby Germany whose immigrant populations aren’t integrating very well which is leading to the AfD to dominate the polls.

            Denmark figured out that listening to people like is a mistake. Reasonable immigration policy is not racist, and the country needs to properly address it’s issues and reform it’s immigration system to reflect the will of it’s citizenry… like a functional democracy would. And you know what? They’re better off for it. Denmark doesn’t have radicalized immigrant communities, it doesn’t have a homegrown far right movement, integration and assimilation aren’t as big of issues as elsewhere in Western Europe, and they have kept their economic policies, progressive values, and social cohesion in tact.

            This is the issue with people like you, you reject practical policies in favor of nonsensical ideological drivel. You have no idea what’s going on and what you’re proposing doesn’t even reflect reality, but that won’t stop from making confidently incorrect declarations.

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        Reasonable immigration policy is not racism, you’re a part of the problem that’s fueling the far right.

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          Just so everyone knows what ‘reasonable’ immigration policies Denmark has that this guy is touting, they’re all hardline far-right immigration policies.

          Highlights include stealing all valuables from asylum seekers and leaving them with literally fucking nothing to ‘justify paying for their stay,’ rejecting asylum applicants if their specific area of their country is not actively under attack (because wars NEVER spread to involve other sections of the same country), any municipality with too high of a population of migrants is deemed a ghetto and demolished, the government attempted to house all immigrants on an isolated island whose only other purpose was a centre for contagious animals (I wish I was making this up), etc etc. The UN officially considers Danish immigration policies to be ‘incompatible’ with human rights, and to disproportionately impact racial and ethnic minorities.

          Denmark doesn’t have far right parties gaining power on the back of immigration rhetoric because they’ve already achieved it.

          This is just racism, and don’t let anyone concern troll you into thinking otherwise.

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            Denmark’s immigration policies aren’t some secret, they’re actually very transparent and straightforward. You and everybody else can read them on the official Danish websites or get a summary of them on Wikipedia:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Denmark#Features_of_the_present_Danish_asylum_system_(2023)

            As you can see, nothing here is racist or far right. This is just bullshit fearmongering on your part. If anything, I would argue that these policies are actually reasonable. Calling the Danish left wing parties far right demonstrates that you’re too out of touch for this conversation. Going completely brain dead and blindingly screaming racism at any sort of immigration policy isn’t left wing politics, that’s just being childish.

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              You realize you literally just linked a page that verifies everything I said wrong with the Danish system, right? And I didn’t call Danish left wing parties far right, I called the immigration policy far-right.

              Take your sealioning elsewhere.