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I see a framerate/refresh rate bug that occasionally locks the framerate at a low value upon unlock. Fixing it requires a lock/unlock cycle.
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what is the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
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Coconuts of course.
Naturally.
Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?
Fairphones.
food or nest building materials
Do you think three wheeled cars should make a comeback?
I’d go for three wheeled bikes.
Those are called trikes… obviously. How have you not figured that out? Bikes are called what they are because they have two wheels, “Bi” meaning two, same as we humans are bipedal because we walk on two legs. If a person had a third leg they wouldn’t be “bipedal with three legs”, they’d be tripedal.
I seriously don’t understand how anyone older than a literal child fails to understand that.
Haha love how angry this made you 😁 You go get 'em tiger 🐯
Is a bin with three wheels instead of two a trin?
That’s his thing. He takes pleasure in being cruel. And because he’s “technically” right, he’ll never own that.
A bike is an object with two kes. What’s a ke?
It could also be an object with ke bis, which sounds much cooler if you ask me.
I don’t understand how anyone older than a literal child would talk like you, tbh. And assume so much based on a joke to boot.
Only if the front wheel is like a rolling pin
Rear wheels: 235/55R19XL
Front wheel: Fred Flintstone style“Yabba Dabba Doo!”
Aptera LFG!!!
Should I eat an entire black forest cake by myself?
Don’t do it.
Well I certainly wouldn’t recommend sharing
If anyone wants a slice, they can get their own cake.
Back when I was young, swimming competitively, my go-to high snack was an Entemann’s All Butter French Crumb Cake and a half gallon of 2% milk. 2700 calories in a clip. Literally couldn’t put on weight.
But this story’s going to take a turn, because let me tell you, that shit catches up, and a poor diet is hard to forget, but when you’re old you do put on the weight.
So I’m going to say no, don’t eat the whole thing. Eat half of it.
Lmao. Well you see I’m an all-or-nothing kind of guy.
Just redefine your timescale. If you eat the whole thing by yourself over a week, you’ll probably be fine. Probably.
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Thanks man.
No questions, but I’m so fucking pissed that Fairphone is on their 6th generation and still doesn’t offer them globally.
I have to replace my wife’s dying phone, and it kills me that I’ll end up buying some garbage, probably from Google, that will end up as garbage in a few years.
Please, bring these to Canada! 😭😭😭
Buddy, I’m in Torontario guy. Bought from Clove UK for 1016 Canadian peso final-final, after DHL blood sacrifice.
I don’t want to import, I want to purchase from an authorized local dealer with warranty and parts available in Canada.
Even clove says that you’ll need to send the phone back to the UK, at your expense, for any warranty related work. That’s not only incredibly time consuming and costly, but it would negate any environmental benefit of owning the phone!
I can’t imagine how expensive and delayed parts would be, again, missing the point of having a repairable phone.
The demand for at least North American consumers is there. I wish Fairphone would just do it already.
Murena is an official authorized seller of Fairphones, but they come with e/os (you can reinstall the original if you have a computer)
Edit: Damn its available for the US but not Canada.
Got it. Yeah it makes sense for the warranty. I assumed I could get parts in Canada though. I might have jumped the gun on this one. I thought iFixit sells them and they do but I can see their site says “Not sold in Canads” for a few parts I checked just now. Hmm.
E: It seems that Clove also sells parts. I see some FP4 and 5 parts. No FP6 parts yet.
I bought my FairPhone from Clove too. It was easy and the phone works great here.
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And towers. You live where I live, very low population density and thick forest make cell phones iffy at best. Many places I go have absolutely no cell service and probably never will. I will be dead before we get access to 5G here.
I will be dead before we get access to 5G here.
I have the opposite problem! 5G is being forced on us here (Ontario, Canada), and my mobile provider just closed of their 3g network, and are making 4g more expensive. I don’t need 5g. I don’t even need 4g, and to have to pay for it just sucks.
The US closed out 3G a few years ago. So 4G/LTE is the default now. When we had 3G, the reception was even worse. And 5G is supposed to be the thing. But even in the nearest big town, (Pop. 15,000), the 5G reception is very spotty. But at least my bill hasn’t gone up.
In any case, even my new Pixel 9a only shows one bar where I live. But at least I can send a text reliably now.
The US closed out 3G a few years ago.
Funny enough, was setting up a new phone and saw the option to enable 2g with an actual toggle! LOL
Opening up their market to another 400 million to multiple billion people would make those expenses worth while, though.
We need ethical, environmentally conscious, future proof options for smartphones in the Americas. 😫
I know Fairphone would probably be quite expensive even for the price it offers if it ever came to my country, but for the update cycle they offer and repairable build (looks at my broken screen of old Nokia), it actually makes sense. I don’t particularly need the highest end specs, I just need a mid ranger phone that’s sufficiently fluid and Fairphone fits the bill.
In fact, I was more intrigued by their earbuds. IIRC, they are the only one with a replaceable battery. For a set of wireless ones, that is a huge step. I don’t think their sound profile was/is as good as Sony’s or Sennheiser’s but the simple fact that they don’t have to end up as e waste makes them way more value for money in the long run.
I know Fairphone would probably be quite expensive even for the price it offers if it ever came to my country, but for the update cycle they offer and repairable build (looks at my broken screen of old Nokia), it actually makes sense.
This is why I got a Framework laptop, and why I wouldn’t mind getting a Fairphone. I’m tired of planned obsolescence, and the e-waste it needlessly creates.
At first congratulations to your new phone.
A few questions:
- Are there any notable gaps between the screen and the side? Can you e.g. put a piece of paper between it? Asking because the predecessor had these and they required cleaning from time to time as dirt accumulated in these
- Did you test the camera yet? Are you ok with the zoom or picture quality in darkness?
- Did you get a case? How are these available currently?
- How is the sound quality?
- Did you already open the backcover? Are there any difficulties in doing so?
- Are there any notable gaps between the screen and the side? Can you e.g. put a piece of paper between it? Asking because the predecessor had these and they required cleaning from time to time as dirt accumulated in these
Can fit a sheet just about. A thicker sheet might not fit.
- Did you test the camera yet? Are you ok with the zoom or picture quality in darkness?
The cam is quite decent in my testing so far. Zoom beyond 2x gets ugly quickly. The system is similar to Pixel a-series. One very good 50MP sensor for everything and low zoom, and one ultra-wide for wide shots and macro. Will be testing it more but first impressions are good. I think I can live with it coming from a Pixel 8 Pro.
- Did you get a case? How are these available currently?
No case, Clove didn’t sell one. Still in search for a case.
- How is the sound quality?
Not as loud as the Pixel 8 Pro but very good and loud enough. No farts or other bad speaker noises.
- Did you already open the backcover? Are there any difficulties in doing so?
Not yet.
What’s your favorite dinosaur?
☺️ Ducks 🦆
How’s the battery life?
Not sure yet but it seems decent so far. Will report as I get more usage.
Keep us up to date on this. My batteries have always sucked
Does the flashlight led have multiple brightness levels?
Tried flashdim from F-Droid, doesn’t seem to work.
that’s an android feature. technically I think any phone could do it.
If the hardware isnt able to switch the LED at least like 200 times a second, then it cant do proper PWM that doesnt look flickery so no you can definitely have a phone that isnt capable of it.
Why would they use PWM to drive an LED in a DC circuit when they could just drop the voltage to make it dimmer?
Could be done but voltage regulators just burn a bunch of energy which doesnt seem very smart for a mobile device. Also if you already need a transistor for switching the LED then just picking one that can do so at 200Hz or more is gonna save you an extra part and give you much finer and easier control over dimming.
What did you have for breakfast this morning?
I don’t eat breakfast. Been doing intermittent fasting for as long as I can remember. Surviving on 2 meals a day, one at lunch and a smaller one at early dinner.
Would love to do it but my heartburn literally prevents me from doing this. I have to eat or drink something small every few hours or it feels like an alien chestburster is about to fuck me up.
If possible, you should get a doctor to treat it. Untreated it could get worse. I improved after a few months of PPIs and avoided surgery. I’d do surgery if PPIs didn’t help. Nissen fundoplication has a very high success rate and it’s durable.
That sucks.
Is it pretty “snappy” ? Wondering if there is any lag time or if runs smoothly right away or what settings I got to mess with to minimize responses time.
How do you like it so far?
Any good/bad surprises?
What OS/rom you planning to run or keep it stock?
What were your motivations for getting it?
Snappier than my Pixel 8 Pro.
So far I like it. The screen is great. The speaker is decent. The camera looks to be fairly decent. Not Pixel 8 Pro level at zoom, but otherwise it seems comparable to some of the Pixel a-series cams I’ve seen. The only thing that bugs me so far is the shittier haptic feedback compared to the Pixel. 😄
I am shocked how fast and good the power button fingerprint reader is. Especially coming off of the Pixel’s in-screen reader.
Running stock OS for now.
Among other things, a combination of Fairphone releasing the 6 with improved camera and Google stopping publishing device code with Android 16. The future of third party OSes on the Pixel line is now in limbo. I’m still unsure how well the Fairphone will work on my carrier in Canada since it lacks one of the bands used. Seems okay for now. I’ll need to take it out in the wild and see the impact on signal and battery.
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions (:
I am looking at moving to a OS/Rom that is geared towards pricy and thought the pixel was it! Alas, like you stated the pixels future with a custom OS does not seem clear so I was hoping that the fairphone might be it. I definitely have only done surface level research so far ( I’m poor and don’t want to excited yet haha)
What band does it lack? That’s definitely something I would not have thought of till you mentioned battery life. Looks like I got more research to do before I purchase anyways.
Any chance you’ll update this post with a reply on your results for battery life I would be most interested in the effect and if it’s negligible?
My current phone is about 5 or more generations behind. I’m not a photographer or big picture taker so the drawbacks you noticed wouldn’t even be on my radar haha
Appreciate the detail in your response and time again thank you!
It lacks LTE band 13. Reply to some of my comments in a few weeks time and I’ll see the notifucation and update with some real world testing. If money is a problem, don’t spend it on this. Get a second hand Pixel 7/8/9 when yours dies and use that as they can be found relatively cheap. The a-series are even cheaper but you have to watch for battery issues. The Pixel can still be locked down fairly well with the stock OS by disabling various apps and components, and by throwing anything you don’t trust in Private Space.
Thanks for all the great info on your post and replies, yeah I’m going to just bite the bullet and do it. Guess it’s time to do real research 🧐
Check what the parts availability is where you are. Some signs point to possible lack of/difficulty obtaining parts in Canada for example.
What kind of motorbike would you recommend for vietnam? Redlining a Honda Wave to do 55mph for an hour is awful, but a <200 lb bike is really nice in traffic and when you have to go over curbs, and bigger bikes are more likely to attract police attention.
My buddy got a cb1000r dirt cheap, and hates it in the city, and is constantly paranoid every traffic cop is gonna take the bike or demand a shitton of money.
Sorry I only do light ebikes. 🙂↕️
Preliminary battery testing results:
During this first discharge session, I’ve installed apps, transferred data, posted all my comments here, etc. All on WiFi.
What is their plan to provide long-term support? How long do they say they will support it? I had the FP1 and after a few years there were no more firmware updates from I think Qualcomm. Google eventually stopped supporting the chip for newer android versions, and fairphone didn’t have the resources to do it on their own. Then there was a major security vulnerability. I don’t remember which one, but basically remote code execution was possible just by visiting a website. With no updates for the FP1, it was unusable from then on for everything remotely private.
The hardware worked fine until the end, but this mess made it unusable. In comparison, my recently bought Pixel 9 gets updates until 2032.
Good question.
There was an announcement about QC extending SD 7 and 8 support for up to 8 years but they say it depends on the OEM. Maybe FP is part of that deal. Maybe not.
Now let’s look at the Pixel’s update support from another angle. The problem I see is that the hardware may not last that long in practice. Specifically due to the lack of parts or the prices for those parts. For example a replacement for my Pixel 8 Pro’s battery is currently CAD $160. That used to be $80 when I had a Pixel 5. The screen repair cost is very high. Over the year-and-a-half I’ve had it, its battery capacity has gone down to 92%. A battery I have almost never fast charged. If this degradation rate continues, it’ll need replacement by year 2-3 of the device life. That’ll be $160-200 for another 2-3 years. Then there’s the parts availability. The Pixel 6a, supported to 2027, has a fire-hazardous battery defect requiring battery replacement. Our extended family has a couple. We checked with the authorized repair shops and it turns out they no longer have those batteries. That’s 3 years into the device’s support lifespan. This means it’s quite plausibe that I won’t be able to replace my Pixel 8 Pro’s battery next year, let alone in the 6th year of its 7-year support lifespan. In other words that long of an update support is only meaningful if it’s supplanted by the necessary availability of parts, and ideally the ability to replace them without specialized tools. I’ve tried replacing a Pixel battery in the past and I broke a screen. I’m sure I can get the hang of it if I had the requisite hot plates, high end suction cups and a few spare devices to practice, but that’s not practical for most users.
Yes, good point. One time I got a replacement battery for my FP1 at no costs IIRC. On the hardware side it’s definitely an advantage to have replaceable parts.
Fairphone 6 will get updates until at least 2033
PS: A ton of questions in the comments here can be resolved by a simple web search…
Google eventually stopped supporting the chip for newer android versions
The chip was made by MediaTek and Google just provides Android and usually no firmware support in the first place… So how exactly is this related to Google?
I don’t remember which one, but basically remote code execution was possible just by visiting a website
That sounds like a browser issue which is unrelated to the OS.
The hardware worked fine until the end, but this mess made it unusable.
Uhm what did you expect from a 1st generation smartphone made in 2013? That the software will always be up-to-date even 10 years later?
The chip was made by MediaTek and Google just provides Android and usually no firmware support in the first place… So how exactly is this related to Google?
Newer versions of Android were not available for the FP1. Older versions didn’t get the security updates. That was the issue.
That sounds like a browser issue which is unrelated to the OS.
No, it was not a browser issue. I don’t remember which one, maybe heartbleed, or any other of the famous vulnerabilities with a logo and a website.
Uhm what did you expect from a 1st generation smartphone made in 2013? That the software will always be up-to-date even 10 years later?
Well, that is exactly the claim, isn’t it? “The one that lasts” implies for me that it doesn’t randomly become unusable after a few years, even though the hardware is technically still fine. Smartphones have now reached a point of stagnating innovation. We already have most functionality we need, so it’s in theory a good time to produce phones that last until the hardware falls apart.
yeah it’s not like google ever abandoned any projects
Unlike FP, Google at least Manages to provide security updates that are not more than 1,5 months old or even more
And that is for the FP5, since launch day.
How’s the camera. Compared to say samsung or iphone if you had any of those before.
Pretty decent actually. I’ll be doing more comparisons in the days and weeks to come, but for now it’s not a huge downgrade from my Pixel 8 Pro. So far some photos have come out better and some worse. There’s no comparison to the optical zoom the Pixel can do of course.
Can we get a side by side photo of this with your old phone (pixel 8 pro)?
Want to see how much smaller it is and is it is small hands friendly
It’s not too much smaller,
Not going to lie that is slightly disappointing. Was hoping that the reduced screen size would make it smaller and easier to hold. How has your experience been with regards to holding the phone - is it substantially easier¿?
Actually I prefer the larger size of the Pixel. I don’t know if I’m jist used to it or it’s my hands but I’ve tended to like bigger phones. I always type double-handed.
