Here’s Matrix CEOs answer to this article: https://lobste.rs/c/jekh0n – according to him the article is absurd amounts of FUD
SimpleX Chat – Many suggested this and I will explicitly recommend against it due to the founder’s positions on various topics. This includes being anti-vaxx, believing COVID-19 was a hoax, trans- and homophobia, climate denial; In the SimpleX Groupchat he’s also been seen basically bootlicking trump a couple times, but I’ve lost receipts to that.
I did not know this. I’ve seen people recommend SimpleX on lemmy too, but probably they didn’t know.
Me neither, this is actually disgusting, immediately uninstalled, a founder that has these views most likely shouldn’t be trusted with your data, anyway.
This should be an awareness post on some tech communities
Thank you so, so, so, so much for saying this!
Is that it? We stop using better programs because we disagree with the creator’s views?
What a disgusting, childish world some of these people live in.
“I was going to buy that house, but the owner’s views made me reconsider. I decided to go with something worse.”
Yes, unfortunately that is the current reality. Note also the subtle hints this article points to: if you disagree with any of the tenents of our clique, you’re evil. In this case, Matrix uses capitalistic toolsets, which implies it is evil, and you should rather use an unfinished alternative because it’s made a by a trans person which is virtuous.
Although I don’t totally oppose judging people because of their views (shaming has been and can be a very useful for improving societies), I wonder if software written by such people should be. Seems to me that we don’t have the abundance of software yet that would allow doing that.
Especially I’m wary of judging people for being dumb in applications like Twitter that use dark patterns to entice them into being dumb. In some way it feels to me like punching down, like blaming the victim.
This attitude has worked so well for allowing the current crop of tech billionaires to grow and cement their influence over the entire world. If people would just stop using their platforms when they hear the CEO’s batshit views then they would be nobodies.
The SimpleX Chat is AGPL. If the founder is problematic, one can fork it and avoid reinventing what has already been made.
go on then
Views that seriously harm or endanger other people are dangerous.
If the founder would have opposing views in e.g. should we narrow down the car roads in cities and widen the pedestrian walks - ok. I think there’s a lot to this question, I think pedestrian walks should be wider, cars are dangerous, etc. But this is not as dangerous as:
“Do you deny scientific evidence that COVID is real and a real danger to a lot of humans”
VC funding destroys everything it touches.
It’s fine if matrix.org goes down the shitter.
The protocol is what’s important.
This article is nonsense. The Foundation was always a front for New Vector and their board is largely made up by New Vector employees. So of course they knew what was going on.
New Vector simply decided that the strategy to make Matrix appear as an open standard was against their business interests and thus left the foundation to fend for itself with obvious consequences.
Knowing it or not, the result is the same, isn’t it?
Here’s Matrix CEOs answer to this article: https://lobste.rs/c/jekh0n – good discussion in that thread in general
That’s like saying POP3 is cooked.
Cooked al dente?
With a bit of green pesto and chianti.
Is anyone else using Delta chat as an alternative? I can’t fault their idea of basing their chat app on the well established email system.
Man, that’s depressing, thanks for sharing, that was well worth the read
I like the concept of delta.chat the most. Anyone here use it? Any reason why it hasn’t caught on?
Could it support technical FOSS channels with thousands of participants, like what IRC was awesome for and Matrix seems to be pretty ok at?
Deltachat works ok for 1:1 chats and small groups. It is totally unsuitable for large public channels as it doesn’t really have a concept of group chats and just pretends so by (in email parlance) adds every one in ‘CC’. This only works ok for small private groups.
IRC just needs to get it’s shit together and start adopting IRCv3 features on the larger servers. The problem is really only that networks like libera.chat run a feature set that is at least 15 years behind what IRC can actually do.
I never heard of ircv3 before. TIL. But, some parts of it don’t seem irc-like, and sacrifice the aspects that have made me stay on irc all this time. Hmm. I’ll look at it more later.
Ah, too bad. That was perhaps too much to ask.
no mention of tox chat, eh? Open source, p2p private chat, what’s not to like?
