“He’s telling us not to use it, and then he’s using it himself,”
Yeah it sucks but there is zero chance this argument holds any weight in court.
The problem is that a student has a reasonable expectation of being taught by someone qualified and knowledgeable in the topic. If the professor is using AI, then that is a major breach of trust that brings into question the professor’s qualifications and whether you are actually getting the education you are paying for.
Not to mention the risk of plagiarism
Yeah, I had teachers change the rubric on the day of the final and even after and the deans at UCSB didnt care at all. Teachers can do just about anything under the guise of education…
Pretty good pizza at Woodstock’s, tho.
“He’s telling us not to use it, and then he’s using it himself”
Just because the teacher might have screwed up doesn’t change that experts in a subject can assess LLM output, while a student who knows jack shit about the topic can’t. Just because the teacher messed up and let ai weirdness degrade the quality of education in the eyes of students, doesn’t mean just anyone can use chatgpt to generate college courses.
I read the original article but not the interview. I wonder how much communication there was about the work before the student decided they deserved a refund.
Ya I mean, you could buy the teachers versions of textbooks on eBay in the late 1990s… pretty sure teachers didn’t want us using those.
LLMs should augment your skills not substitute them. That’s just laziness or incompetence.
Or worst case scenario it means your job is replaceable.
Agreed.
I’d be pissed too. This is sloppy as hell.
If I see a representative or senator using ChatGPT, could I demand that he resign from his position?
You could, but you would be pissing in the wind asking.
I’m already asking, no one listens to the people anyway
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Holy crap… slashdot still exists??
It’s still the same 10 users complaining about systemd
Never forget, never forgive
Oh crap, the last time I looked at Slashdot comments, systemd didn’t exist yet
Hot grits
I checked it out again when reddit did their api fuckery. The progressives left and the libertarians are all that remain. I didn’t stick around long enough to get a better feel for the situation.
Apparently, Digg may be coming back.
Why do people not review their LLMs output?
A while back I saw a post on Lemmy accusing ASU, who is publicly partnered with OpenAI, of trying to quietly replace advisors with chatbots.
It’s truly a dark time for USA higher education.
I’m currently doing an online Master’s with Northeastern. Honestly not surprised this happened, the quality of classes is WILD.
Taking 2 classes per term, and each term so far 1 class has been very well designed but also insanely easy, while the other has been so poorly implemented that the course learning materials don’t actually help you do the coursework.
Probably most astonishing so far though is a course I’m taking now just served me with the literally exact same assignment that I did for a course I just finished. Now, granted that both classes are from the elective course choices, so not everyone will take both, but come on… and they grill me about plagiarism with every submission I make…
I reuse assignments between similar classes, because maybe those classes share a learning objective and that assignment is just gangbusters.
In cases where students take both (which, we actively discourage because of the similarity of courses), I have my team require the students, for example, use a different person as their subjects for the two assignments.
This assignment is literally a fill in the blanks to complete a set of code to make it produce values expected by the assignment.
I had professor usi g worksheets watermarked by another professor at a college in another state, y’all think anything came of it? He also gave us all the answers to the tests in the form of self graded quizes and let us take them into tests.
HS diplomas became a joke, degrees are becoming a joke…
As someone who was a TA a bit, I think that is 99% because if schools tried to hold students accountable to the standards of even ten years ago they would have to fail 2/3rds of their students.
Highschool becoming a joke means none of the kids have strong enough core skills to be tackling real college work by the time they get there, but schools cant afford to enforce actual quality standards for work. The graded model has completely fallen apart at this point given how steep the curve is. The quality of work that gets an A today would have been a B or high C from 10-15 years ago. Of course there is real A grade work being done too, but what defines an A grade has ballooned to a ridiculous degree such that most of it is not really A grade work
The problem isnt new, it was already bad 10 years ago to be honest. I had a professor in community college about 10 years ago who had been a professor at ASU, and she had quit teaching there specifically because the university wouldnt allow anyone to be graded below a C, regardless of if they did any work or not.
Most large public universities are just degree mills at this point, or bordering on it if not
Was your grade exclusively based on the tests and quizzes? That’s the only part that’s questionable here.
Every prof need not write their own unique materials, rather they need to teach you the target material using whatever resources best suit that purpose.
Most of the grade was on the tests, I think 70% then like 30% on the “Lab” portion…which was basically attedance and if you turned something in, he didn’t check for accuracy. One of the worst professor at this college.
As long as the materials are accurate and serve as an effective teaching aid, where’s the case?
It would be different if the sum total of course materials were wikipedia articles presented by a non expert, but the professor IS an expert. Sure, anyone can use genAI, BUT not anyone can write a relevant, targeted prompt and check the accuracy of the output. This is of course assuming the professor is generating (or at least vetting) materials for accuracy.
IF it turns out the student can find a pattern of inaccurate content there is a case. Otherwise there’s nothing: it would be like arguing that a TA made the materials (or the lecture materials came from a book written by SOMEONE ELSE gasp) and the professor presented them so the class is invalid.
Exactly. Nobody should care how the professor generates materials for the class, they should only care that the materials are effective and accurate. That’s the professor’s job, and they should be free to use whatever tools they find helpful in producing effective, accurate materials.
Mistakes happen. I found a bunch of errors in my classes, and this was before AI was a thing. The information was accurate, but the presentation was poor.
I think the key take away is that college is over rated, as you can easily find and create your own course materials on par with (or often better than) what the professors create
Lol no. You absolutely cannot.
You can maybe make it look nicer, but your high school diploma and street cred does not an education make.
The neat thing about it is, if you think this way, it would be impossible to prove to you that you can’t do it yourself just as well. Without DOING it, you just don’t know how much you don’t know compared to a university faculty member. There are people who can go to the library (or Internet) and good will hunting an education, but I can basically guarantee that neither you nor anyone you know or will ever know is one of them.
It probably depends on the specific field of study. My experience comes from software engineering
