• Paragone@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    As predicted years ago.

    Trump is Putin’s ally, not NATO’s.

    This was forseen by some YEARS ago…

    As I’ve said before, they’re committed to destroying all the “woke” countries in a pincer between Putin & Trump,

    & that’s why Greenland is required, so the US can do to Canada what Russia’s been doing to Ukraine, & once Canada’s destroyed, then the hated-by-them-both EU can be destroyed.

    It’s a strategy, & it will succeed unless the TrueNATO countries SMARTEN UP SHARPLY, QUICKLY, which looks to not be going to happen…

    Whatever.

    There are other worlds in endless-stream-of-universes: our continuums/souls will just do it again, on another world, after obliterating this “Garden of Eden” world, right?

    whatever.

    Watching humankind “prevent” snuffing-of-humankind is like watching a junkie’s life be obliterated by whatever junk they’re addicted-to.

    Inevitable, depressing, pointless…

    Oh, sure, it’s possible that the addict in question might somehow change & fight-for-their-life against their unconscious-mind’s obliteration-addiction, but is it likely?

    not.

    • wpb@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Between this and USAID I can’t say I’m unhappy about it. Of course dismantling imperialism is a good thing, but I also don’t understand. The republicans should be all about illegal invasions, bombing civilians, and installing puppet dictators, so they should love USAID and NATO, yet here we are. Is this just incompetence?

    • 𝕛𝕨𝕞-𝕕𝕖𝕧@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      3 months ago

      they’re doing it very knowingly… they wrote an entire nearly 1000 page fucking document detailing exactly what they’re doing in excruciating detail.

      the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous. lots of these fuckers are quite intelligent and conniving. you should be weary.

    • ours@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Just when I warmed up to the idea that NATO was a necessary evil to counter Putin’s worse evil.

      • Oida Grantla@discuss.tchncs.de
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        3 months ago

        It also is a necessity to keep the USA from going Putin… Trump wouldn’t stop wanting to be a King. As a King he’d work on becoming the Emperor. As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn’t that big…

  • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    They want out because it’s stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

    US: We want you to spend more on defence!
    Europe: Ok, we will buy more, from our own companies!
    US: That’s not what I meant! I’m going home!

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      3 months ago

      Cause and effect are a little twisted here. Trump was already undermining NATO during is first term by saying European members should spend more. They didn’t agree at the time, but the Ukraine War proved that Europe really did need a more domestic MIC, and now they are.

      Trump wasn’t saying it in the first place because he thought it would help NATO.

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      3 months ago

      Why do you think that? How would losing half the military assets and technology would benefit NATO?

  • UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Just removing the US from another world stage

    Soon we will be completely irrelevant

    Which is the plan

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          3 months ago

          Eeeeehhh, if you just look at numbers of boats, yes. The US Navy has far, far more experience, though. Drones are also going to change the game in ways we’re only starting to see with the Ukraine War. With that, the answer might be “everyone’s boats are sunk now”.

          China probably couldn’t gain air superiority over Taiwan, and without that, an invasion will fail. That will be true even if the US ends up losing more boats.

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    3 months ago

    If they’re going to withdraw then why are they strong arming all the other nations to spending 5% GDP on defense? If they’re not in NATO, who gives a fuck what they want?

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    3 months ago

    Meanwhile, Putin and Russia is cheering this on. The parties they are going to throw are going to be absolutely epic. You’ve heard the party of the decade, you’ve heard of the party of the century, get ready for the party of the millennium.

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    3 months ago

    This bill is going nowhere, and Trump just said at the summit that he would honor article 5.
    I know Trump often changes his mind, but the summit showed that Trump has definitely changed course for the better regarding NATO.

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    3 months ago

    I keep getting this sinking feeling that this is all leading up to a precise and coordinated attack of evil.

    Russia bombards the EU, the US attacks Greenland and Canada, while Israel finally bulldozes Gaza and Iran. China takes Taiwan and the south sea.

    All at the same time so NATO is overwhelmed and can’t decisively defend it all without risking spreading too thin. No matter what happens, one of the bad guys gains ground.

    I honestly have no idea if this is even possible, it’s based on a dream I had a few weeks ago.

    Disturbing thought though.

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    3 months ago

    I’m not saying Donald is a russian asset… But what more could daddy vladdy wish for?

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      3 months ago

      We really need to examine this need people have to blame Russia for everything. Do you blame Russia when your dryer loses a sock too? It’s fascinating to me.

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        3 months ago

        I might if Russia had a vested interest in taking my socks, and the dryer had a history of justifying Russia’s sock stealing.

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    Great!! Fuck right off USA!!! Without you idiotic dipshits in NATO the rest of the aligned countries don’t have to listen to your moronic whining to spend $ on US defense weaponry/planes etc. You won’t be missed and piss off. From Canada’s POV we’re really looking forward to spending billions on Saab Gripens - so we can protect ourselves from you.

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    3 months ago

    Well, in a democracy it’s important that people who want this can try to make it happen via official procedure, which this is.

    That said, the people who want this are assholes and probably in bed with Russia.

    • IceFoxX@lemmy.worldBanned from community
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      That is the problem with democracies - they have no active protection of their own because it would be undemocratic on principle.

        • IceFoxX@lemmy.worldBanned from community
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          3 months ago

          Education… educated people think about things. Above all, when is the best time to have a child in terms of financial situation etc. Political and world events etc. can also be taken into consideration. .
          Meanwhile, the uneducated have the 4-5 child.
          The educated now have the problem of age and have waited too long/thought about the fact that having a child is no longer an option.