The fact that you posted a link to this video from YouTube not peer tube says a lot.
The point is outreach to the other platform. Sending engagement to this video on YouTube will boost it due to YouTube’s algorithm. More exposure on YouTube = more potential new PeerTube users. Publishing this on PeerTube is preaching to the choir. As an alternative platform, you always need to maintain a presence on the main platform so you can encourage people looking to leave.
It would better to make peer tube super easy to use without needing to do more than cluck once on. A button and get going
The thing holding open source back is the gatekeeping. Developers could spend more time actually working with u.i experts to make things easy, but no. Rather make everyone think it’s some magic that requires 50 steps.
Make it easy to do business and give them a great product. That’s all that needs to be done. Do that foss community, and you’ll win.
Can you show me an example of gatekeeping in this space? I am not sure that word means what you think it means.
I mean it is open source, ANYONE can create a different UI and fork the code, which is drastic but an option.
Are you saying you have submitted UI improvements as pull requests to several projects and had them tell you they would not merge due to a desire to keep the UI the way they designed it?
Having to do most real things besides browsing the internet via command line on 2025 is definitely a sign of gatekeeping , imo. Yours may vary
Having to do most real things besides browsing the internet via command line on 2025
What are these “most things”? I haven’t had to use the command line on this laptop I am typing on since I got it a year ago. Files, music, shares, my own cloud storage on s3, photo editing, etc? What are “most things” to you?
And even if it was “most things” you are not showing an example of gatekeeping. Give me an example, such as you submitting a pull request for a GUI for a current command line only “most things” that was rejected.
now I feel your being disingenuous. Seriously. You have a good day. I won’t be replying
I am being disingenuous? You make a very bold claim that people are “gatekeeping” open source software. You then claim that everything in Linux outside of web browsing requires the command line. I am completely serious.
All I am asking you to do is back up those claims.
Either you have a specific gripe that should be addressed, or you are just spreading bullshit online or trolling. Which one is it?
Or at least publishing links to both would look better.
Maybe, not what you think it does, though
Peer tube is dead
The main value of youtube for many of us is the enormous video collection, which is impractical for anyone else to duplicate. Need to fix an old washing machine (I did, recently)? Type in the make and model and there’s an instructional vid. It’s unfortunate that Google has exclusive control over such a resource, but here we are.
I think it’s running it at a loss too. But there’s no reason these platforms couldn’t be publicly owned.
It was, but monetization has been so aggressively everywhere that I think they finally are in the black at least since 2018.
I had no idea. You’re right. It was a $15B business in 2019. https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/3/21121207/youtube-google-alphabet-earnings-revenue-first-time-reveal-q4-2019
Makes the ads seem even more obscene now that I know that.
I wonder what would happen if Google decided to “turn off” YouTube.
I would be free from relying on a single google server for anything.
And sadly now I have to watch a video. Wouldn’t step by step instructions be quicker and more effective? Yes. They were. Now it’s some video wasting my time.
Not sure that is a great example.
Wouldn’t step by step instructions be quicker and more effective?
For this type of work, typically no, it’s quicker and more effective to have someone show you exactly how to do it.
No. That’s generalizing
It depends on the person learning. You may get more out of a video and I may get more from a book
I hate that this has become so commonplace. Yes for some - mostly physical - things it’s much better if you can see someone do it. But finding an obscure setting in an app shouldn’t be a video.
Stuck on a 20 step installation process? Here’s a 10 minute video showing all the steps you already know before the phase you’re stuck. Sure you can scrub through it, but it’s still faster to skim and scroll through a text with images.
Maybe a silly idea, but what about a P2P-based video hosting! Hear me out:
We have more computing power and bandwith in our homes than ever before. We know that sharing data and files via P2P works, is resiliant against attacks, and scales really well.
No server costs mean that people could support creators by seeding the content to other peers. One cool thing about that would be seeing how you are making a difference, in real time.
PeerTube started as being P2P based, hence the name. :) However, due to technical challenges associated with it, they dropped support for P2P streaming in 2023 (see the link for details).
The difficult part is not the software or even the hosting. It’s more about the network effects and the ability to let users monetize uploads, which in turn creates vast potential for abuse and fraud, which in turn has to be addressed by burning stupendous resources. At a certain point people stop wanting exposure or “making a difference” for their own sake, and instead want to get paid in genuine coin of the realm.
Absolutely, people still need money. So P2P would not solve that bit, but at least the donations can go directly towards content creation rather than having to cover server costs as well.
I think we should discuss about what is holding PeerTube back. For starters a monetization system
Joined PeerTube last month and have had great success with it in terms of as a platform and place to share art / content, though of course the views have been low.
I’m sure there is a megathread elsewhere but would love to see an acceleration of folks adopting the Fediverse. My talking point has been to sort of sell Fediverse alternatives (Lemmy, Pixelfed, Mastodon) as superior to other big tech alternatives out there (such as BlueSky and Flashes). We are either at the vanguard of a mass migration or just migrating while no one else is intending to, which I guess amounts to the same thing!
Linux is finally becoming mainstream. I love it.
That’s kinda true, but what does that have to do with the comment you replied to?
It is related to the increased calls to encourage the adoption of free and open source software, which are alternatives to corporate products. 🙂
There was a lot of energy around strategy when I joined in January (can you guess why? Lol). The limiting factor seems to be chosen participation. Lots of people have opinions, not many people want to organize their thoughts into, eg. an effective advertising campaign, a github pull request, or basically anything other than meaningless musing.
Here were some threads in my message history I found insightful: https://lemmy.world/post/25512565 https://lemmy.world/post/25553607 https://lemmy.world/post/27824597
I’m not really skilled in anything relevant, so my strategy has been:
- On mainstream social platforms, point out any hint of enshittification and follow up with a recommendation toward a specific Fediverse alternative.
- Link directly to discussions or articles I found on Lemmy that I thought were worth sharing
- Building partnerships in my existing communities with the corresponding Lemmy communities to encourage user flow
Lots of people have opinions, not many people want to organize their thoughts into, eg. an effective advertising campaign, a github pull request, or basically anything other than meaningless musing.
This is the nature of free work. Any donation of time is sparse and intermittent. People have bills to pay. The best and brightest want to be paid well for their time. This requires a business model of some kind, and monetising that work. This is antithetical to FOSS projects, and is the reason they will almost always be inferior to projects with large budgets with teams of UX designers. /obligatory COME AT ME BRO
Ironically, I think Fediverse suffers from a high amount of tech expertise and not enough project managers, lol. Not enough people cracking the whip saying “users said x feels confusing, what can we do about it?” then establishing timelines and check-ins. Maybe instead of Lemmy devs saying, “we accept nearly every pull request,” they should say, “we want a project manager to help recruit volunteers on specific issues x, y, and z”.
Ironically, I think Fediverse suffers from a high amount of tech expertise and not enough project managers, lol.
I 1,000% agree. FOSS projects are dominated by skilled developers who have to work under the direction of managers in their day jobs and FUCKING HATE IT. They dream about breaking the shackles of idiotic managers who are suppressing their talent and creativity, so they work on FOSS projects. Only to learn that developers without clear direction is like herding angry cats at a Metallica concert. The end result is a patchwork of features each developer would personally like, but normal people hate.
I am probably biased here because I am one of those managers. The reason we don’t work on FOSS projects is because 1) they don’t want us working on them, and 2) we fucking hate our jobs as-is, and don’t want to spend one more minute than necessary herding angry cats.
Same issue as Lemmy. Not enough people see centralized media as an issue and thus the status quo will continue.
Like with fucking, friction is the difference between pleasure and pain. If I click a YT link and the video starts playing, no lag, no buffering, just plays, I will come back.
I tried to watch the French dude describing Texas, hosted on Peertube. It took 17 minutes, 3 attempts, 2 error messages, lag while playing.
Can’t change the paradigm with thrift.
Interesting. I’ve watched some videos without issue, though not many since there aren’t that many to watch.
Sounds like a personal issue TBH
To me it’s a feature and not a problem to have less people. I had more online human interaction in lemmy than I had anywhere else (except maybe facebook in early times). Look at Reddit now, good luck interacting with real genuine people. Everyone is shilling something and nobody is honest, plus the low quality posts count growing.
I saw some studies a few years ago on how people are less interested in traditional social media and more interested in instant messaging 1to1 and small group chats. Also something about how group chats become dead after they exceed a couple hundred members.
Just to say, I am more happy with the way things are in lemmy. I appreciate all aspects of Lemmy really.
I guess for you that makes sense if interactions is your goal. For me it is both content and interactions and the former is really lacking because the community is still too small. I find many of the subreddits I view daily are ghost towns here or non existent. I would drop Reddit completely if there was just more content here. I will often come to Lemmy several times a day, and notice it still has all the same posts and then go back to Reddit. Sucks more are not jumping on the decentralized bandwagon.
I do agree. Maybe we could normalize having bots that duplicate the good posts from there and discuss them here. But yeah, it’s not so obvious how to measure a “good post”.
Wow, someone should make a bot for awareness or something.
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I think posting it on Peertube would maybe be preaching to the choir.
