• kersploosh
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    How so? Masked men grabbed Rumeysa Ozturk off the street, caught on camera and even questioned by passers by. I haven’t seen their identites released, and I don’t see how it will happen unless the federal government wants it to happen.

    • MushuChupacabraOP
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      3515 days ago

      You’re speaking of the now.

      I’m speaking about after this regime falls, and it’s time to to account for the crimes against humanity.

      • @Kirp123@lemmy.world
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        815 days ago

        They can just scrub everything before they lose power. Remind me what happened with the phones of the Secret Service when they were investigating Trump?

        They are using Signal as we’ve seen with Leaky Pete. Signal deletes all the info automatically after some time. Since it’s an end to end encrypted messaging app nobody can recover those messages. Not even Signal themselves. Who’s to say they aren’t using in other instances as well.

        And finally, Trump can pardon the lot of them and they will never see justice.

        • MushuChupacabraOP
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          114 days ago

          ICE agents have lives away from work.

          There is a zero percent chance that any particular ICE agent does so without someone in their own social sphere know8ng about it.

          Compile the lists.

          The regime will fall.

        • @gamer@lemm.ee
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          They are using Signal

          I just had a thought: are the Signal people MAGA? I don’t think these paranoid criminals would be using something outside of their control if they weren’t certain wouldn’t be compromised. I also don’t think they’re competent enough to self-host and distribute up-to-date app binaries to everyone on the team.

          …and if Signal is supporting of MAGA, doesn’t that mean they’re a risk for anyone critical of them? Even if the app is end-to-end encrypted, anyone just downloading the app from an appstore is one automatic update away from being compromised.

        • MushuChupacabraOP
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          815 days ago

          They’re as skilled and aware as the January 6 insurrectionists.

          They’ll all be found, and all will be ratted out by the communities that they’ve harmed.

    • @TommySoda@lemmy.world
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      At the same time though, now that things like that are already out in the open it’s going to be a lot harder. I’ve already seen videos of people yelling at cops that are harassing and questioning alleged immigrants.

  • @stoly@lemmy.world
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    They did it during Black Lives Matter. Would cover their faces, remove their badges, and use rental cars to pull people off the street and disappear them. It’s happening now with ICE.

    • MushuChupacabraOP
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      4015 days ago

      To be clear:

      ICE agents have home addresses. They have lives away from work. People in their lives, from family members to acquaintances, who have direct knowledge of them being ICE agents.

      Start collecting identifying information, that will help apprehend them after this regime falls.

      When this regime falls; they won’t permit being voted out of office.

    • @Ileftreddit@lemmy.world
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      We went to Centennial park in Atlanta and were actually relieved to see the National Guard deployed there (summer 2020) because it meant that we would be less likely to be shot

  • @hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4215 days ago

    We need a wiki where regular people can document and store evidence on the nazis, fascists and enablers currently destroying America. Not just ICE, but everyone. A place where sleuths can unmask and put a name on the worst of them. Where hackers can upload ICE payroll or employee databases. Perhaps even put together an interactive map showing where these people live so their neighbors can be safe.

    Once the bastards see their names in print with proof of their crimes out in public perhaps they’ll realize how short their future is. Otherwise it’ll come in handy for the trials.

  • @Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
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    You can evade justice if your Reich lasts long enough.

    It’s sad when old corrupt criminals just outlive any repercussions, and the systems that shields them becomes the norm.

    • MushuChupacabraOP
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      114 days ago

      Let’s see how long this one lasts against one of the most well armed civilian populations in history, who have been fed a steady diet of the Right to Bear Arms, and Stand Your Ground.

      The regime will be fucked the first time their ICE agents try to scoop a Don’t Tread on Me type in the middle of the night, and get a bullet salad for their troubles.

      By now, even the most fervent supporters can see that if one of them gets scooped by mistake, there is zero mechanism to correct it, and they’re as good as dead.

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        More violence is coming to USA, that seems a given, but daily shootouts just means more resources to the “militia” the gov uses/chooses to use. And that can get normalised. And the percentage of gun-owners killed vs ICE agents killed acceptable (basically nobody can reasonably fight off an armed force on their own, it’s logistics, not a shonen match). Good TV news tho.

        There is no deterrent in ICE getting shot on the job (that doesn’t affect Washington at all), the deterrent would be gun owners grouping together & taking on the gov as a force.

    • @Korhaka@sopuli.xyz
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      113 days ago

      Even if WW2 was won by Germany, nazis were the targets of assassinations. They would not have been safe for the rest of their life.

  • @janonymous@lemmy.world
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    Sorry to say that the fast majority of German Nazis did not only get off without any form of repercussions after 1945, they often even kept their jobs in government. The Nürnberg and subsequent trials only covered the high profile cases, that had not successfully fled. For the Nürnberg trials that were 22 people, while the subsequent trials only found 2,500 of 100,000 arrested Germans guilty of war crimes. Of those only 177 were tried, 142 were convinced and 25 were sentenced to death. These numbers also exclude the 1,600 German scientists, engineers and technicians that the US government took with project paperclip.

    And it wasn’t for a lack of documents.

    • MushuChupacabraOP
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      You are a source of joy to the regime.

      They very much enjoy all discussion that suggests that they can do what they want, and get away with it.

      Excellent work on discouraging resistance.

      • @janonymous@lemmy.world
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        What? I’m saying the Nürnberg trials should have been much larger and stricter. I’m saying don’t just hope that some outside force will bring justice, because historically that just won’t happen. It’s just coping. It is not resistance.

        The reaction to these old Nazis remaining in power lead to the founding of the RAF, who decided to actually do something about it. If necessary with violence. It’s a fascinating piece of history that explains why Germany, despite the defeat, remained pretty conservative and it’s justice system remained “blind on it’s right eye”.

        If you make a historical comparison, maybe read up on it instead of getting mad at someone pointing out a misconception.