• @allywilson@lemmy.ml
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      I’ve read similar before. I’ve heard that the UK’s Conservative Party (Tory’s) are more aligned with the US Democrats in their outlook than the US Republicans. The Tory’s are generally considered our right wing (there are smaller more right wing parties though).

      • @kooks_only@lemmy.ca
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        For a minute in Canada we would say “if Obama were Canadian, he’d be the greatest conservative PM we ever had”

  • Rodneyck
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    There is no two-party system, it is a uni-party, anything else is smoke and mirrors.

      • Cowbee [he/they]
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        Smoke and mirrors. Both parties represent Capital, voting is often negotiated pre-vote, including dissenters.

        • @DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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          You can repeat “smoke and mirrors” as many times as you want. Doesn’t change that the parties vote VERY differently. Doesn’t change that one party got me affordable healthcare when I was young when the other one basically told me to go fuck myself. Doesn’t change that one illegally attempted to overturn an election and the other didn’t. Doesn’t change that one stripped women of a federally protected human right while the other didn’t.

          There are so many examples of the parties not being the same that there’s no other way to look at your opinion than as ignorant to the extreme.

          • Cowbee [he/they]
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            They both serve Capital, and neither represents the people. The DNC is regularly pushing to the right, and willingly allows the rights of women to be stripped. They are opportunists, not agents of positive change. They only care about getting donations and serving the Capitalists that fund them. The GOP is no better.

          • @Ferrous@lemmy.ml
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            122 days ago

            You can repeat “smoke and mirrors” as many times as you want. Doesn’t change that the two cops treated me VERY differently. Doesn’t change that one cop gave me an assurance of a plea deal when the other one basically told me I’d be locked up forever. Doesn’t change that one slammed my face into the table when the other got me cool glass of water. Doesn’t change that one lied about my actions and assumed my guilt, and the other took the time to hear me out on my story.

            There are so many examples of the cops not treating me the same that there’s no other way to look at your opinion than as ignorant to the extreme.

  • 🔍🦘🛎
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    722 days ago

    They’re not right wing/controlled opposition. They’re right wing controlled opposition.

  • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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    The fun thing about being a liberal is the lefties thing you’re a fascist and the righties think you’re a communist.

      • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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        Well actually it is impossible for a liberal to turn into a fascist as they are two completely different ideologies.

        • Cowbee [he/they]
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          Liberalism and fascism are the same ideology in different economic and social circumstances. That’s why the saying goes “scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds,” the underlying system supported by both is heavily based on the private ownership of the means of production.

          • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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            the underlying system supported by both is heavily based on the private ownership of the means of production.

            This might be true but there are some significant differences between the two as well.

                • Cowbee [he/they]
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                  Liberalism and fascism are descriptors for superstructural ideology sprouting from the same base in different circumstances. The liberal Weimar Republic quickly became the fascist Nazi Germany not out of a pivot in underlying ideas, necessarily, but due to the natural changing material conditions the same Mode of Production found itself in.

                  Liberalism and fascism are tied.

        • Jorge
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          Fascism is liberalism’s plan B, as confirmed by History and by liberal theory itself.

          Historically, look at Latin America (I am Brazilian). All over Latin America, when people elected leftist (not even communist) governments within the institutions of liberal democracy, the elite (with US support) staged a coup and installed a military dictatorship, effectively saying: no, the people are not allowed to choose socialism. So we hereby abolish democracy.

          And Jacobin covers the justification for this under liberal theory itself:

          So, important liberal thinkers insisted as early as John Locke, you can’t tax the rich without their consent. If you do so, you give the victims of these policies a good reason to rebel and use violence against the usurpers. Liberal politics thus had a dictatorial option inscribed in it from the very beginning. And so it became a dogma to assume that the main task of politics is to protect property, and its principal sin to inveigh against it. But of course, that is a very narrow definition of what politics can or should do. And we suffer from that confinement to this day. In a typical Western democracy, you can do many things — as long as you refrain from infringing on private property. [1]

          In short: liberal theory itself gives absolute priority to private property (over the means of production). If it conflicts with democracy, democracy is tossed out the window.

          I always clarify “over the means of production” when attacking private property. There is this widespread confusion that communist thugs are going to invade your house and confiscate your bike. AFAIK, communists don’t do that.

          Fun fact: in 1989 Brazilian elections, neoliberal Collor terrorized the people saying that Lula would confiscate everyone’s savings. With infamous support from Rede Globo (massive right-wing biased media corporation), Collor won, then quickly moved to confiscate everyone’s savings. Lula was elected in 2002, 2006 and 2022, and did nothing of the sort. Sadly, Lula is not communist, but social democrat.

          1: https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-hypercaptialism-social-darwinism-liberalism

    • @bishbosh@lemm.ee
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      1523 days ago

      The thing about pissing your pants is that those cleaner will think you shouldn’t piss yourself, and those dirtier will think you should shit yourself.