What a wild time to be alive
/pedant the term would be “emigrating”
Just my two cents, not having a go at you:
This is why I’m a pragmatic prescriptivist, I want people to follow norms for ease of communication, unless their innovation fills a need/fixes something about the language.
Stupid english with its stupid verbs.
We’ve got “to” and “from” why do we need to have two differently spelt verbs for basically the same thing.
Sure, you could argue that you can just say “they are emigrating” to imply people are leaving the country permanently, but let’s be honest, not providing any other context it’s practically unheard of. You’ll at least be saying where they currently are, came from, or going to, unless you’re being very abstract. Even then, you couls say “the migrants were immigrating” to be very vague about it. Both immigrating and emigrating involve moving, wtf is the point?
I’m glad few people “properly” use “emigrate” these days. Let’s kill it, it’s redundant!
I may have even gotten the difference wrong, but I’m not gonna look it up since I don’t want to use it anyway haha
How about just ‘migrate’ and ‘migrating’?
In my view, “migrate” according to Etymonline originates from the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) root *mei which means “to change, go, move”.
I don’t believe this term refers to moving in or out of something, or any other preposition.
As we’ve been discussing in this post, immigrate and emigrate represent inverses of each other. It makes sense to look for logical ways to combine those.
I think the best prefix for this would be trans- for, according to Etymonline, this means “across, beyond, through, on the other side of; go beyond”. Specifically, I would refer to trans- as meaning “out from and in to”, which gives us the word “transmigrate”. Etymonline has a dictionary entry for “transmigration”.
It looks like Merriam-Webster, Oxford, and American Heritage dictionaries support “transmigrate” as an entry.
From wiktionary: Verb migrate (third-person singular simple present migrates, present participle migrating, simple past and past participle migrated)
(intransitive) To change habitations across a border; to move from one country or political region to another. To escape persecution, they migrated to a neutral country.
This is already common usage and I don’t see the need for any prefixes to the word. The Etymonline definition is giving the definition of the root, not the current english word.
This is already common usage and I don’t see the need for any prefixes to the word.
As we’ve already seen in this thread, sometimes prefixes are needed to help establish the arrow of causation when people do migrate. Did they come to or leave from this or that country? Etc.
not the current english word.
Good thing language can change over time :)
The problem we’re addressing is that the prefixes are made redundant by the syntax of to and from. ‘immigrating to europe’ ‘emmigrating from europe’. Dropping the prefix in this context doesn’t change the meaning: ‘migrating to europe’ ‘migrating from europe’.
I agree. Maybe immigrating Europe or emigrating the US, but that does seem odd.
But this is the digital age, so it’s clearly e-migrating.
I think there’s a richness in being able to shift or emphasize perspective like that. And a poetry, for want of a better word, that comes with that.
‘Coming’ and ‘going’ do the same shift. “I’m coming to Europe; they’re coming from Europe,” feels just a bit stilted to me, though that’s subjective I suppose.
If you want to get rid of immigrate Vs emigrate, maybe we just talk about ‘migrate’.
And scrap ‘coming’ and ‘going’ for ‘moving’.
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i think you use “emigrating” when leaving their homes behind, but here it is part of the joke that they no longer see the US as their home. instead, they’re seeing europe/whatever other country as their new “home”, so they’re immigrating.
Do you imagine some kind of deeper meaning wrapped in a joke in it?
The more likely explanation is that plenty Americans have poor literacy.
Even plenty of ‘their’ ‘there’ mistakes. Elemental English.
Because when you’re the one who “came up” with it, it’s usually a pretty sweet ride, provided you can weather the revolutions and stuff.
Tell that to the 10% of the German population that didn’t survive WW2.
I blame the French, before them damned near every Germanic society had a broadly democratic tribal or clan based system. Then the French combined that with Roman autocratic systems and somehow created an early version of Divine right of kings and a form of proto absolutism. Yes I am glossing over a tonne of shit but compare the French estates to the clusterfuck that was the Holy Roman Diet and it’s like comparing a member of the English Royal guard to a Somalian pirate.
I blame greed. It doesn’t matter where it came from. It’s some bullshit.
Always a safe bet to blame the fr*nch
Technically I’m blaming the Franks, but they are just proto-French so it is still counts. Like referring to the Picts as Scots.
Well, if you really wanna get into it, I blame the Romans. It was their colonialism and influence that made the region of the Franks what it was culturally. Then their collapse created a power vacuum allowing this remnant territory to rise and fill it, wanting to be its own new Rome (like almost every other empire that arose after that). And on and on until today. Colonialism and imperialism is a cancer that has been growing and growing through the ages to get us to where we are today
what ever happened to respecting your fellow humans and treating them as people?
Fascism is on the rise in Europe too so maybe go to Japan or something
They’re extremely racist, which is a huge plus, just like the Swiss flag 🇨🇭
Like plenty countries, but it only becomes a problem when it’s also against whites.
True. Australia and New Zealand are our last hope
Fascists on the rise in Australia too sadly. New Zealand is very isolationist and anti immigration.
Brazil is good. Nice food, people and forests.
Would be ironic if we had to go to Africa because life there is better.
… after decades of relentlessly repeating how much better we have it that “poor children in africa” especially.
There’s a great show about families going there for a better life from here. It’s called coming from America. Worth a watch. Not everything is perfect there but people from here can own land and feel free.
btw, do you think americans would still go to africa if it turns out to be/become communistic? i.e., no or restricted private ownership of land, …
That’s exactly my plan C if the lunatics start WW3 suddenly.
Reachable from Europe and less likely to explode.
But I hope to find a perfect spot before that in an organised way.It’d be hilarious to see a reverse migration.
Africa is beautiful, the only issue is safety.
Countries like namibia/botswana probably have less of these issues as well.
They fully have the right to refuse us.
For many, many reasons.hey that’s racist (slight /s as that is literally the reasoning that i see many people use here as an argument why to not block immigration)
Those nice people made a fascist president there not too long ago.
(He also made sure there was a lot less forest)Yeah, but who doesn’t have fascists? At least they’re prosecuting theirs. Bolsonaro can’t stand for elections no more.
So, at least they’re back to the status quo, where they destroy the planet slowly.
Y’all think fascism is unique to white people?
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True, but I was surprised tho when I first heard of him and his succes.
“Brazil? The smiley samba sunshine people where most people aren’t even white voting for a fascist?”
Saying that could be seen as extremely racist of you.
The far-right in Europe seems to have lost momentum a bit-- for now. The far-right parties in government in Sweden and Netherlands proved themselves incompetent and lost support. The support on German AfD stagnated. Meloni has shown to be more moderate than expected (well, not quite but that’s a long story). And Le Pen has been prosecuted, but I think this is not enough to actually kill the French far-right movement so long as the French government still practice neoliberal policies. But I think the major factor that made Europeans think twice now about gravitating towards fascism is after witnessing the shit show in America and Musk’s overt election interference in Europe. I should not be laughing, but what a laugh the three months of Trump administration has been!
Incompetence, it seems, is what is valued here in America to go up the ranks.
I will be honest, I thought that Trump will continue with his fascist-adjacent/fascist-lite policies from his first term. Looks like in this term, he is out for vengeance and doubled down!
that’s actually a bit reassuring to know
Be real careful. We thought we were turning the corner a few years ago, too. Seems so long ago.
As a Japanese, I think Japan has always been a fascists’ country. The flavor of nazism did change from German one to American one after WW2, though
Japanese are starting to hate gaijin. Because of disrespectful tourists and “influencers”.
Starting? Japan has a long, proud history of xenophobia.
It’s a respectful xenophobia though. Like, it’s just as bad but entirely Japanese in flavor. If I had to make a ham fisted metaphor.
I always see xenophobia and racism as different level in the same category. Like, the former is “milder” and something as I, as an immigrant, could overlook. The latter is far more hateful and intolerant.
yes, the country famous for being accepting of foreigners, that is also known for a high standard of living…
ok then move to mars, final offer
Venezuela is nice at this time of the year too
Japan has its own fascists.
The fascism was within you the whole time.
i have come to the conclusion that there is a god and a heaven, alright, but it’s a cruel place that i would never ever ever want to go to. ever
edit: oh yeah, what does that have to do with your comment? well, the christians are going to heaven alright, if you can interpret the american technocracy (or even mars) as “heaven” (by any stretch of the word)
explanation: the christian idea of “heaven” is heavily based on platon’s “ideas”, which are described as “heavenly objects” (a.k.a abstractions), and platon called the collection of all ideas the “inter-net” for some reason, and modern IT is heavily modeled after it, with a purely abstract world ruling the world, more or less. there’s lots of articles how some technological platforms (such as meta, google) shaping what news we get and what we believe/think. thus it is a “techno-cracy”.
Your family brought the curse with them
wait isn’t there some christian story about exactly that … 🤔 something about some curse that is inherited and bans the people from living a good life or sth, i can’t remember. maybe that good life was symbolized as a garden, but i could be wrong
Europe accepts its sons and daughters of long ago. Specially the talented ones who contributed to empowering science in the US.
Not the Drumpf family, tho. Those can stay there instead of returning to their roots in Germany. The last thing we want is a “Make Germany Great Again” movement - they’re already great right now, no need to fix what’s not broken, thank you.
I wish the first part were actually true, on the bureaucratic level. Sadly it is quite difficult to emigrate to the EU
How are they great?
Their economy is going to shit, they have a massive right-wing party, are complete warmongers and supporters of genocide.
Uruguay has a pretty easy system you can make a request of residence and it seems that usually go through. Americans do not need a visa to come but if you prepare the paperwork is easier…
Tell me more about Uruguay. What’s irs like over there, standard of living etc.
A quick scan of Wikipedia shows there’s an actual left wing party currently in power that was formerly led by a guerilla fighter during the military occupation of the country in the 80s
As well they legalized abortions in 2012 and weed and same sex marriage in 2013
It’s got a 3 branch government similar to America
Economy seems stable, Internet seems good.
Guess it’s time to start learning Portuguese or Spanish!
The left wing party is not led by a former guerrila fighter but said one Jose Mujica was president yes here the president is important yes but not the all powerful figure. That was in the 70s (the guerrilla thing) and they all admitted that doing a revolution was not the best answer to the political trumoil. Also the militia coup was backed by Nixon so there is that.
And it’s Spanish the official language.
I did say formerly. The first president of the current party was a guerilla fighter.
Do you mean the military leadership of the 80s was backed by Nixon or the group that overthrew them?
The guerrilla in fact failed to overthrow them when Reagan came and pulled out the cord all dictatorship regimes started falling like dominoes. This one especially felt that they could get the peaceful way out and they did a referendum they lost by a wide margin and they stepped down. Now the guerrilla group formed a coalition with other left leaning groups and they made the Frente Amplio (translates to “wide front”) and that’s why I made the distiction of being the president and led as they are a coalition the direction they take is usually decided by the “plenario” which is an internal gathering where they debate vote and decide, so they have an internal president but they act more of an organizer rather than the decision makers. It’s not a perfect system but well it works in it’s own way. IMO FA is more like the French Socialist party and the Japanese LDP rather than the US democrats. The good news for fediverse ppl is that they are very pro queer and progressive. Also they are very pro democracy in fact the dictatorship regime here is considered a far right one.
Good to know! Also, couple questions I’d you don’t mind -
How’s the Internet down there? What’s the overall opinion/ government policy on trans people? Lastly, how’s the tech job market (if you know)?
Best option on Latin America on pretty much any standard. Progressive laws, good weather - main negative thing I can think of is that rent can be quite expensive. I’ve considered moving there in the past but my Spanish is awful.
Pretty on point really although there are some govt initatives to help. Hell in enough ppl comes over at once you can start a cooperative and build your own houses. Also the mayority speaks some basics almost 15% of ppl speaks first level English with a 5% that basically manages complete. Many places do have English speaking personnel even.
Only issue is crime has gotten worse there over the years
Immigration has increased too as well
Until we undo capitalism, we are going to have these 80 year cycles
I mean, the cycle started with the implementation of capitalism. Italy was functionally feudalistic (particularly in the southern territories) until the mid-19th century, with state power relegated to a hodgepodge of principalities. It’s only really been a unified country since 1870 and lagged on industrialization until the Cold War Era, when the US Marshall Plan made it an industrial and shipping beachhead for NATO-bloc manufacturing and trade (as well as a military base to strike out at North Africa and the Middle East).
The waves of Italian immigrants weren’t fleeing capitalism. They were fleeing the two World Wars and the industrial collapse of Europe. Americans, by contrast, won’t experience the same immediate socio-economic pressures to leave. So I suspect a lot of the reverse-migration we’ll see to Italy will be coming from an American wealthy middle class seeking to retire into a post-industrial retirement playground rather than an Italian underclass seeking gainful employment and safety from chronic civil wars and invasions.
Italy is going to be more like Florida in the 1990s than New Jersey in the 1920s.
What would be the alternative? Socialism and thus the standstill of further development? It would have to be extremely state-regulated capitalism. But above all taxes! So on the rich. Democracies would have to be able to protect their own form of government… but they didn’t think about it when they were founded because everyone was happy about the positive outcome. So that our democracies are attacked from within. Above all, America needed to regulate tech companies more. Tax havens should be prevented, etc. Capitalism itself promotes further development. It just needs to be protected from abuse. Private individuals should never have too much money and therefore automatically have power.
Why would socialist halt development?
If the state controls everything and resources etc. are distributed fairly, there is no competition.
“Where capitalism promotes efficiency, socialism focuses on equality and solidarity, a redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor and the creation and maintenance of a level playing field”
Equality excludes the whole thing from the outset ( developing ). It would ultimately end in unequality.
That’s why it would have to be ( now it’s getting funny ) socialist capitalism.
Edit: State capitalism e.g. Scandinavia. Would you now say that the people there are in a bad way?
Welcome to the fuck america club
Leave your guns at the door
And be one with the nanny state
I was imaging this meme just last week, while my wife finished renewing her Italian passport and stuffing a bugout bag full of Euros.
good ass meme
Full circle indeed.
If shit hits the fan, company of heroes 4 will finally have something new instead of another WW2 thingy
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Same. I bought my ticket the day after the second election. If you’re in Melbourne let’s have a Freedom Beer
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I want to leave to ensure the safety of those closest to me.
But I also want to stay and fight like hell.
Unfortunately, even if the immediate fascism were beaten back, I have very little faith in anything but capitochristofascism’s resolve to continue to be absolutely shitty, and general American ignoarrogance to reign supreme, for the rest of my life.
roko’s basilisk or sth
Agreed. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, cowards.
The type of people who think like this, believe wholeheartedly that everything that doesn’t conform to their mindset is fascism/Nazism/[insert -ism you don’t like here]
You might not like it, but that’s how it is
Thinking like this will make you find fascism wherever you go. You’ll find it in Gaza, in Iran , Japan, Greenland. You will find it in your parents , your neighbor, your kids, street signs, China, in Bernie Sanders office, chatting with Obama, having dinner with Kamala, in opera, with monks, inside the ISS, even fucking Antarctica.
Make yourself a favor and maybe think for a while before leaving your country to poison others:
“if everywhere I go smells like fascism, is it them? Or maybe, just maybe, is it me”?
Do it before you see a mirror and find fascism in there too
Edit: if downvotes were actual votes, you guys might have won the election lmao 🤣
Has a cult of personality ✅
Purging dissenters ✅
Giving positions to loyalists ✅
Demonizing minorities ✅
An attempted coup ✅
Consolidating and exercising central executive power ✅
Attacking the media ✅
Creating his own media apparatus ✅
Isolating the country from the rest of the world ✅
Sending citizens to foreign prisons ✅
Theres a whole novel on the wall and you’re not reading it.
Yeah I wasn’t talking about the Soviet union
Fascism is relatively simple to identify. When the leader of your country begins calling dissidents enemies of the state, saying journalists should experience violence, ignoring checks and balances, establishing prison camps…
Okay fascist.
Should be easy enough to identify https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/feb/25/how-to-spot-a-fascist-the-umberto-eco-way
speak for yourself boss. that’s simply not true.
I agree that the left is just putting labels on everything but why are you against them emigrating? Are you actually afraid of people who will leave instead of sinking together?
I caught myself writing a long response to this, but I got something that I belive will be better: Ok, USAmerican.
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