• @photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        11 month ago

        Just use livestock if you’re hellbent on that? There’s not enough humans to make that economically viable… Hell, why am I taking this seriously, it’s obviously not a serious proposal, right?

        • @AndromedaAnimated@lemm.ee
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          11 month ago

          This. The rich are only 1% of humans or less. Composting them will not feed all the remaining humans for any significant amount of time. But eating them also kinda will not. Maybe BCI will be the solution, so the rich could decide to increase their sense of empathy through neural stimulation. Who knows, maybe they would actually like to be like others at some point because ASI tells them to.

          We could compost all dead humans though instead of piling them in cemeteries where they turn to candle wax mummies. Would that be a brave new world? ;)

  • @piratekaiser@lemm.ee
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    341 month ago

    Look at history. You need a tipping point, but more importantly, you need organised masses and a vision/visionary to get behind.

    That’s how Lenin got in power. It’s how the French decapitated their king. That’s why there was a rally at the White house when trump lost the previous election but nobody is doing anything against him now at the states while he dismantles the country.

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      Correct, but there is a lot of nuance.

      Indeed, when things get bad, the public is willing to take risks. When everything is good enough, they don’t revolt.

      However, successful revolts do require intelligent and capable leaders.

      What the rich have realized, is that if they ensure smart and skilled kids get picked out of the drudgery and get comfortable working for the rich, then the exploited class will not really have anyone to lead them.

      Put another way, in 1908, every factory had a few leaders working at the lowest levels. And they are the ones who spearheaded strikes and such.

      Nowadays, society is really stratified in terms of skill.

      Anyone who grew up poor, but had talent to organize, probably ended up in some kind of middle management or professional job and makes 2x the average.

      Convincing these people to have class solidarity is difficult. Only a few of them actually see the bigger. Those tend to become middle or upper management or politicians, making 3-5x the average workers salary. And of those, only a very select few are willing to fight for the common man.

      So yeah, the rich engineered a system that they can control. To actually change anything is going to be very difficult.

      • @ayyy@sh.itjust.works
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        in 1908, every factory had a few leaders working at the lowest levels. And they are the ones who spearheaded strikes and such.

        (I can’t be the first person to have this thought so someone please chime in and tell me where to learn more.)

        The scale of housing and factories was different in 1908 though. These days factories are giant complexes in the middle of nowhere with supercommuters that don’t live anywhere near each other or the factory so don’t have the same opportunities to fraternize and organize in their homes and taverns. I don’t know how workers can overcome this massive hurdle from the modern era.

      • @keegomatic@lemmy.world
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        This is a great point that I haven’t heard before, and it seems intuitively correct. Considering overall economic mobility has gotten worse over the decades, I suppose one way you could validate this is by looking at the stats for economic mobility differentiated by… academic success? Measured IQ? Skill acquisition? None of those are good isolated indicators but maybe there’s a good measure where you can say “economic mobility increased for skilled people over time, but decreased for less-skilled people over the same time period.”

        This is not a criticism of your point, by the way. I think you’re right. Just wondering exactly how right.

        • @alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Economic mobility is usually determined by things like IQ, EQ and other marketable skills. So I don’t really know if your proposal is the right way to measure it. But such data would at least give some insight.

          In the USA, most research I have seen says they have low economic mobility, because the rich have access to the best schools, etc.

          But still, it’s not zero. Both JD Vance and AOC are examples of economic mobility.

          One of them still fights (or appears to fight) for the class they came from, the other is successfully recruited to serve the interests of the ruling class.

          Were they born in 1908 (and ignoring race and gender for the moment), then probably both of them would have been leaders for the working class.

    • "no" bananaOP
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      41 month ago

      I’m not advocating it tbh

      They probably taste like shit and cocaine

    • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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      Wow you really picked two of the worst possible examples. French Revolutionaries decapitated so many officials that they ended up decapitating the previous wave of French Revolutionaries, then Napoleon and the Church took over.

      • @piratekaiser@lemm.ee
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        21 month ago

        My example was about how people get together to make revolutions happen, not wether they were good/bad or what ended up happening after. I chose those examples because in both cases a revolt was long time coming but people couldn’t do it until they were organised

  • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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    You say the larger of the two, but the majority of the USA voted for fascism and an absurd number of people just stayed home. It’s hard to grow a resistance when you simultaneously believe the simple folk are getting exactly what they deserve and asked for.

    • @explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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      161 month ago

      Voting stupidly doesn’t turn a working class person into an owner class person. We still outnumber them, it’s just that most of us have been tricked.

    • @bustAsh@lemmy.world
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      I’m not sure the majority voted for Trump considering all the election interference and Elon Musk’s fuckery.

    • @randomperson@lemm.ee
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      81 month ago

      It’s hard to grow a resistance when you simultaneously believe the simple folk are getting exactly what they deserve and asked for.

      It really shouldn’t be since that’s just the beginning, they’ll be coming for everyone that says a single negative thing about the king and his cronies.

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        We have 2 options.

        Make things better or make things worse.

        It’s really that simple, guy.

        And btw, the DNC held primaries every election. 2024, 2020, 2016. Among the candidates in 2016 and 2020 were Bernie Sanders, who consistently lost. I think more people should participate in primaries, but it’s a false claim to say they “ratfucked candidates” that people wanted. People chose Biden. People chose Clinton.

        • @xye@lemm.ee
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          11 month ago

          No, Bernie got done dirty in the primary process each time, super delegates, getting people like Buttigieg to drop out for promises of favors - but it’s convenient there wasn’t a primary in 2024 so they could just pick someone else for you openly.

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          See, there’s serious doubt for me in both cases that Biden and Clinton were really the people’s choice because the party either overtly or quietly kept their thumb on the scale. I can’t find the article anymore, but whoever took over after Debbie Schultz basically found that the HRC campaign was effectively in charge of the DNC during the 2016 primary. I don’t know about you, but I don’t consider that a level playing field at all. Then, in '20, I found it really, really sketchy how Biden won what, two, three states? And all the other candidates with one or two wins suddenly pulled out and pledged all of their delegates for Biden basically at the same time. Could’ve been that Biden was really that cool, but I’ve always had doubts about that.

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            It wasn’t exactly a close race. You’d be accusing the DNC of fabricating Millions of ballots. On Super Tuesday, Biden swept races across the nation, a lot more than one or two.

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              Well, no, not of fabricating ballots. I said I think they had a thumb on the scales, that neither race was fair, not that the votes were fake. So, it’s more like I’m accusing them of giving their candidate of choice significant advantages over the others, which is not something you could call a fair race.

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                TBH they didn’t even need to include third parties on their ballots from the start. They had all the power in the world to Exclude Bernie. If they were that opposed then why would they even risk it?

                Unfair primaries are the onion, and too damn many people took a bite.

                • @conditional_soup@lemm.ee
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                  Nah, miss me with that shit. The way super delegates were set up in the ‘16 primary was total crap, I remember that the media had basically called it for Hillary on almost day 1 of the primary season because every superdelegate announced (before their state primary!) that they were going for Hillary. I think that the HRC campaign really thought they were going to fold in all of the Bernie voters’ votes, money, and energy.

              • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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                The fascists are to blame, and you’ve deluded yourself into believing the DNC are fascists despite every reason not to. When we elect Democrats we get less money in politics, we tax the rich, we expand medical coverage, we strengthen ties with allies around the world, and we actually do something about climate change.

                When the GOP wins they claw back all of it.

                I cannot see opposition to the DNC as anything other than pure malice, because it consequentially is.

    • @chuckleslord@lemmy.world
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      Not even a majority of voters, let alone a majority of Americans. Just about 30% of adults in the US voted for trump. We still outnumber them.

      • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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        Actually yes, a majority. Trump lost popular vote in 2016 but won it in 2024. IMO everyone eligible who stayed home is just as much complicit with Trump.

        More specifically the number of Trump voters barely increased, but the number of people who voted for Kamala was millions less than those who voted for Biden.

          • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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            Trump: 49.8% of popular vote (77,302,580 votes)

            Harris 48.3% of popular vote (75,017,613 votes)

            He won the majority, unless you’re counting spoiled ballots that accomplished fuck all against empowering dictatorship.

            • @earphone843@sh.itjust.works
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              41 month ago

              The definition of majority is a percentage over 50%.

              49.8% is less than 50%

              I’m sorry if this is a difficult concept to grasp.

              • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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                77,302,580 + 75,017,613 = 152,320,193

                77,302,580 / 152,320,193 = 0.5075 = 50.075% = MAJORITY

                And thats me being generous, I honestly think every third party voter was complicit with the Trump victory. Didn’t think I’d have to show work for somebody to understand basic addition, today.

            • @chuckleslord@lemmy.world
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              Define words however you want, that doesn’t make it true. A majority is 50%+1. Anything less is a plurality. More people voted for someone other than Trump than those who voted for him.

              Beside the point, the original claim was a majority of Americans, and that isn’t even close to a majority anyways. Even with your funny definitions.

    • @AidsKitty@lemmy.world
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      The same people who have historically bankrolled and controlled Republicans also run the Democrats. It’s kinda hard to “fight the system” when the oligarchs are the system.

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        Then you would agree we should remove money from politics and…

        Oh! Whats this? The DNC passed campaign finance limits in 2002 which were overturned by the conservative SCOTUS in 2010 “Citizens United” decision? Huh, wow, thats crazy. Have any Dems talked about this recently? All of them? All the time? Neat.

        • @AidsKitty@lemmy.world
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          So what you are saying is that the oligarchs rule the system and your solution is to continue voting in that same system in which you are being ruled?

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            You’re going to sit there and “both-sides” in the face of one side clearly fighting against oligarchy and one side clearly fighting for.

            You’re going to pretend its all the same while Republicans, who created a deficit by cutting taxes for the rich and only the rich, are tryng to pass a budget that will remove 79 Million citizens health coverage a d defund hospitals.

            You’re barely even human.

            • @AidsKitty@lemmy.world
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              The same socioeconomic class has been continuously the main benefactor of America economic policy for 50 years regardless of which party is in charge. Idk what more proof you require to accept the oligarchs run the system but you believe whatever you need to to make you feel safe and secure.

  • @IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works
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    Because eating the rich will accomplish nothing if you don’t also change the underlying system that created them in the first place. And good luck getting everyone in the non-rich class to agree on what that change should look like.

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      81 month ago

      What if the rich kept getting eaten until they figured out a system that the rest of us were satisfied with

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      The 2% inflation target that excludes all investments you mean, so that we must consume more every year otherwise interest rates collapse and we gush out money like a sprinkler, as the rich load up on debt to short cash with their ever inflating collateral while gold and houses rise 10% a year.

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    Because the rich don’t affect much in our current monetary policy, its the velocity of money that matters rather than the quantity.

    If they start buying out every grocery store then prices rise, interest rates rise, and their asset prices fall.

    Its the central bank that debases your salary though, making it buy less and forcing a wall of debt to gatekeep your housing.

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      You’re half right… monetary policy is a huge source of inequality, but that’s because congress obeys their rich owners.

      If there was some way to opt out of their monetary policy, then you’d think it would already be catching on. 😉