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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they’re working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
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They have benefitted from and encouraged ‘but if you do that you’re no diffrent from-’ spinelessness.
Their entire gameplan has been to whine and sob and play victim while demanding ‘we’ march to where they are, while they take two more steps back and whine and sob more at how we’re extremists.
So. Fuck 'em.
Their ‘compromise’ is ‘we give them everything, and get nothing in return.’
Show them that they are not welcome or wanted.
Are you taking about funkwhale or the right wingers?
Rightwingers.
what the fuck are you even talking about?
This seems like well intentioned but ultimately pointless. Nothing is stopping a nazi group from just forking off an older version like how gab did with mastodon, and no currently active funkwhale pods allow right wing content already.
What exactly is funkwhale? It looks like a federated music platform of some sort?
It’s basically an open source, federated clone of GrooveShark, which was kind of like Plex but just for music.
Huh. Well that seems pretty cool
Just ban country music and you’ve covered like 80% of it.
You can decide what music you listen to. Anyway a band being too politcal won’t make bad music, you don’t have to agree to their ideas to appreciate the music
Isn’t that the age old “Is Burzum NSBM” discussion. Vikernes is definitely a Nazi, but his music, as in texts etc, isn’t infested with Nazi ideology much unlike much more clear-cut NSBM: It’s not National-Socialist Black Metal, but Black Metal than happens to be created by a National Socialist.
IMO in the end I don’t mind you listening to, or even liking, Burzum, but please have the moral wherewithal to pirate. If that means you can’t have them on the platform because you’d be exposed to lawsuits, then so be it. Fuck Vikernes, he made his own bed.
This is how you get republicans wanting to use RATM on the campaign trail
That’s kinda funny
Somewhat off topic but I was totally convinced that Funkwhale had died so I ditched my pod and moved to Navidrome, I wasn’t using federation so I wasn’t really the intended audience. I’m glad they are still going though. But personally I’ve had a better experience with Navidrome with Feishin as a player.
[from the original announcement]
If you are a liberal or if you want to have fun, have a look at “Aamer Rahman: Is it really ok to punch nazis?” :)
haha, nice. And this makes the Funkwhale announcement author’s position clear: combating fascism is more important than defending lofty ideals, like their liberties. They treat Funkwhale as a community, not merely a tool.
Some of the points Sean brings up may be reasonable critiques, I don’t know enough about music tagging to know how easy or hard MusicBrainz is to use, and there is also the question about what if a formerly RW artist reforms (many, many have deradicalized or left the movement, fun fact: this is an important source of antifascist intel). I know about a dozen artists who, as teenagers, were in edgy right-wing circles and echoed that in their works, and are now very far away from that and regretful, but if they hadn’t taken up new aliases, they’d probably be lumped in with their unwelcome past works. So I do see merit in the complaint about that project lead failing to implement a way to handle special cases.
With all that said, I’m definitely in support of this move. I just hope they implement and improve it well - that will make or break it.
This reminds me of Mastodon (like Sean mentioned in the article) and Lemmy. I’m not experienced with Mastodon, but I am aware of how they reacted to Gab (formerly a Mastodon instance, before getting bullied by almost everyone), and how most of Lemmy divorced Wolfballs (run by a US-Libertarian, think 🧊🍑 + antivax, but soon populated by white supremacists and neo-nazis; eventually shut down, among other reasons, when the admin realized the Nazis on their instance weren’t just pretending for a laugh and that many were commercial bots. Probably didn’t help that their admin had a non-white partner and jewish friends) and exploding-heads.
These are examples when a FOSS tool takes a community stance, rather than an idealistic liberalist freedom-above-all stance.
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I fail to see how it’s even possible for an open source project to dictate what content is acceptable. Also, the entire idea is contrary to rms’ FOSS goals (for any purpose), other than being completely ineffective. I can understand the need for agency and contribution to whatever resistance can be mustered, but this is larping.
Also, the entire idea is contrary to rms’ FOSS goals
Perhaps, and I don’t see how that’s a problem. Saint IGNUcius isn’t the divine dictator of FOSS. The original Funkwhale announcement’s author makes it clear at the end that they don’t hold freedom-as-an-end-goal (liberalism) as their ideology.
LARP
Not LA nor RP, my friend.
As you hinted, a determined admin can disable the blocklist, it probably isn’t too technical to patch, but this makes a clear statement, which if you’ve seen any right-leaning tech forums, has a real impact on them (see their discussions on Firefox and Rust, or better yet, don’t).
It’s not even liberalism, it’s pragmatism. It’s simultaneously giving software as a commons and trying to restrict it, an extension of culture wars that’s so ineffective it gives the other side an easy win once they set up chudwhale as a script that forks the latest codebase but with no blocklist and a pepe mascot. Just time unspooling. I might be depressed.
I wouldn’t get too depressed about it, it would just be another niche bit of alt-tech if it were anything other than completely neutral. I can’t think of a case when an anti-left fork of a software was memorable as a self-hostable tool. The closest I can think of is Gab, which hardly qualifies, nor does it hold a torch to Mastodon.
Technically, SoapBox and Rebased were forks of the Mastodon frontend and Pleroma backend by an alt-right dev that found some level of success in the alt-right part of the Fediverse. So, it’s not completely unheard of.
Reeks of bullshit ass slippery slope censorship to me.
If only funkwhale wasn’t such a royal pain in the ass.
And had a way to support artists
Yeah, the UX is historically not great. I’m also pretty sure that the federated social layer is still kind of non-existent at this point. It used to be that you could upload your own music and share it, but you’d never see replies from anybody.
It’s like someone took a Grooveshark clone, shoehorned federation into it, and then kind of made some features act like SoundCloud, if you squint. But, they didn’t really finish the transition.
Setup is also huge pain and it has compatibility issues with clients that use the subsonic API. Every step of the way something I needed from it had issues. I gave up running one funkwhale instance for multiple users and instead spun up 4 Navidrome instances. Not only was it easier and more stable it also uses less resources than one funkwhale setup.
As much as I love the idea of funkwhale it’s just so far away from usable.
Can anyone tell me why I can’t login to Funkwhale with my instance? No matter what I do I can’t use it. I tried using one of their suggested instances too and nada.
Which instance do you use? Mine had been having issues recently
World. But I did use one of the ones they suggested and that didn’t work either.
Maybe Im off base here but I’d say like 10% of music leans right of center?
This idea sounds dumb. Just don’t listen to kid rock or ted Nugent, or most country, and you’re basically all set.
Then there’s like 3 bands per genre that are dog whistlers or overtly shitty humans.
Done?
From an American point of view, that’s true. European metal has a bit of a Nazi problem.
Lame.
