92 here. My boys 10 and 8 have their own machines, they are told to Google it first before I come help.
“I’m not raising end users…get your shit together kid.”
Love,
SysEngineer Dad.
fellow tech dad here. how did you strike the balance between “look up shit online” and “hiding the terrors and lies of the internet from my kids”?
Mine’s still little, but knowing sooner is better.
I have the Microsoft safety shit on, and I made every site they can go to a web app. My router blocks nsfw/nonkid traffic. My phone gets notifications when they do anything at all.
And I have extensions blocking all nsfw sites just in case. And I’ve nuked the entry for any web browser on their start menu and task bars. Can’t even scroll to find it. If you open it, it requires my admin PW, which is 14char #$@-123-ABC so good luck turds.
Steam is locked down in kid mode - also they just play Roblox or cool math games anyways lol. Steam has browser disabled.
Only things they have access to is Bing.com with their signed in kid account. And coolmathgames.com.
It took about a week on and off to setup and I just did the two laptops in tandem. Windows 11.
The family thing can be a pain, Microsoft has a lot of half baked ideas https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/how-to-set-up-parental-controls-on-a-windows-11-pc
My parents and school administrators’ attempts at blocking unsanctioned activities is what taught me computer literacy
There was nothing quite as satisfying as getting caught opening addictinggames on a web browser through a proxy when the teacher was convinced they had blocked it completely.
My son’s group in middle school hosted their own proxy overseas. They then pirated a whole bunch of educational videos that the teachers liked to use and made nice clean interface. The games pages had no direct links on the educational videos screens. They had to type in the the page directly in the URL.
So the teachers all loved the site and gave the official “approved for all students” bypass on the districts Chromebooks. The kids had uninterrupted access to all their games.
The kids were smart enough to keep the location of the games to students with a B or higher GPA. Most of the teachers turned a blind eye to them playing games when they did get caught. The games pages also had a home button that sent the students screens to a random educational video. I was truly impressed with their clever approach.
The IT department either never caught on or enjoyed the games themselves because its still up and they are all in highschool now.
I remember when proxies were easy to find and you could get to the most ridiculous stuff. We had college intern system admins for IT at our HS so it was easier to get by alot of things most of the time.
A friend and I became unofficial TAs for a high school computers class when we defeated the remote-viewing software and any web blockers, we knew more than the poor teacher and it was easier to let us do what we wanted if we promised to help other kids do the actual lessons.
That network had terrible security. So many important files stored as unprotected text in the intranet.
Yeah, I found Microsoft family to be a pretty half-assed experience. The thing that seems to work best is the screen time management. I had planned to try and set up YouTube access via allow listing channels in a home Linux server, but it turns out that YouTube doesn’t identify their videos by channel in the URL and I’d have to allowlist every single video for a given channel.
I’m planning on building a server that rips channels videos and they can have the app for that.
We are a no YouTube without our explicit permission on the video kinda household. Too much actual brainrot. And as much as I don’t like Television, at least my kids are mentally protected from bullshit with the Children’s Television Protection Act.
That’s awesome. I would’ve hated dealing with this as a kid. Will definitely steal this when I have kids.
I would’ve hated dealing with this as a kid.
same, except i would love to bypass this as an adult
Yea, my job at work now is to do this but all day lol. I build my network/firewall/and shit and then go around trying to break as much shit as I can so I can fix it.
My kid spends a lot of time helping their friends do basic computer stuff and we have the same rants about users.
I’m so proud.
Raising them right. I have a 28 year old college grad sys admin that I work with…I had to show him where windows updates were.
He uses windows search to open settings…bachelors degree in IT.
You’re 92 and your kids are 10 and 8? Damn, and I thought I started late.
Old dusty balls still knockin around by my knees but you better be god damn sure I’m fuckin.
You turn your 8 year old loose on google, explicitly and intentionally unsupervised, and hold it up as an example of good parenting.
You assumed absolutely wayyy to much based on a single sentence and virtue signal your superiority based on your own fantasy of what’s going on with inconclusive data. Move along.
I had a meeting with a young person who had to have the concept of a directory structure explained to them for a half hour…and they’re in charge of designing a file browser. 🤦♂️
I don’t think the exercise was even successful.
how do people with no skills even get hired? I cant even get interview for job I fit perfectly for every thing they are asking for.
I’m pretty sure the people who do interviews are not the ones who have to train them. Also, if you use chat gpt for writing your cover letter, structuring your CV, running interview prep etc etc. You don’t even really need to be literate to come across as pretty put together.
Yeah, smartphones don’t teach kids file structure at all.
I used to teach math in the local school. The kids had a great interest in 3D printing because I had a few fun items in my classroom that I had 3D printed. I decided to spend a couple of weeks teaching a bit of CAD through having the kids spend it designing a personalized key chain to print.
It took me 3 days of class time to teach them how to use a mouse…They couldn’t grasp the idea that a touch screen and CAD don’t go together, you need that mouse to make it work. It quickly became apparent that things quickly became difficult for them if it doesn’t have a touch screen.
And while some classes are always a bit better than others, there was always a noticeable number of them that struggled with using a mouse.
To be fair: I switched to Linux 6 years ago. I’m using a tiling windowmanager, a lot of custom scripts, a different keyboardlayout with six instead of two layers (great for writing greek math, and other symbols) and an enthusiastic emacs user. I know the my System in and out. As a CS end math student, I know a fair bit about a Computer. But when A sit in front of an ordinary windows PC, I am a little bit upset. I stumble a lot of times over the thought: “You don’t have a keyboard shortcut for this! You have to use the Mouse, to switch Windows or you have to click yourself trough a menu to change this setting. There are no man pages you can search with regex” I hate it!
“an enthusiastic emacs user” Well, there’s your problem! (Sorry, I couldn’t resist the poke)
To be serious, Windows and that mouse are just tools-- same as any Linux distro is. A means to an end. Nothing more. There is nothing to be miffed about when you need to use that tool. Be proficient with all your tools. And when you need to use a tool, don’t be concerned about comparing it to the other tools. It diminishes you skills with that tool and and offers no gain to the solution.
But being stuck using windows when its not the right tool for the job is like having to use a pickaxe when you could be using q jackhammer, only the idiots in procurement don’t like power tools.
Perhaps. But despite using Windows, you got the job done, right? Life is all about using the tools do have, rather than the ones you wished you had.
I mean i guess you must be pretty competent with an abacus then in case you ever get stuck somewhere where they wont let you ise a calculator? Your argument that people should spend time becoming proficient with inferior tools just because they are tools doesn’t really hold up. If something gets the job done better and more efficiently it makes the other tools obsolete. Thats the nature of technology.
I haven’t used an abacus in a very long time, but I haven’t forgotten how to use one. I still have a slide rule that I can still use if I have to, (I come from a time before pocket calculators). I used to race the the younger kids in my classroom to see who could do simple math problems faster-- me and the slide rule or them and a calculator. And my rule in class was that there were no calculators. Well, using fingers was acceptable. Because I wanted you to get your hands dirty playing with the numbers. If you wanted a calculator for a test, I would offer you a slide rule.
As a working adult, you must be proficient will the tools your occupation has. And not just the tools you wish you have. If you are running servers in a Windows based environment, it doesn’t do you any good to wish for Linux based servers. And you better be good with both Windows and Linux if the environment is mixed. And a professional doesn’t complain about their tools, they just use the ones they have to accomplish the job at hand. Of course, if you have the money and power to do the choosing and purchasing of the tools you prefer and want, then by all means buy them. But I doubt that’s the case for you.
It’s because Windows has to save its keyboard combinations for the important things, like opening a new LinkedIn tab.
CTRL - SHIFT - ALT - WIN - L opens linkedin.
Thanks, Captain Obvious. No need to post such common shortcuts like this
It was news to me. But then I haven’t used Windows more than trivially in years.
Gives me even less of a reason now.
I was being sarcastic. If a shortcut requires 5 buttons, it’s it really a shortcut? Press Win to open search and type link will probably also do the same thing
Gotcha.
I could totally believe Microsoft did some kind of stupid deal with LinkedIn.
Truly only the most useful of functions for this great operating system
This is why windows is here for a few games and Linux is for everything else.
I use Arch (btw) because it’s easy, simple, and beginner friendly
Absolutely lost in Windows, nothing ever works, and the documentation isn’t laid out well. Support is just sfc /scannow
I think that’s being a bit unfair to Windows. Some of its keyboard shortcuts are stupid, but it does have them. When it doesn’t, the problem is the application.
Some of the legacy keyboard shortcuts still survive to this day.
I live by Windows+R for the run dialogue.
If you populate %userprofile% with shortcuts named after keywords to your commonly used apps (eg fire.lnk for Firefox) then you can just slap Windows+R, type fire, Enter.
Win+X is also great. Especially since the Start Menu doesn’t allow for quick shutdown commands since Win 8.
Yup! That’s what I use for all restarts and shutdowns
Generally, you’re totally on point, but I just wanted to drill into that mention about hotkeys for switching windows. You mean something other than alt+tab, ctrl+tab, and in some applications shift+brackets?
I haven’t run into the problem of people not being able to use a mouse - but I’ve found that very few young people are able to tell if something is saved on their own computer or being accessed over the internet. Saving or downloading files is not something they are familiar with. (Which I suppose is because a lot of modern software makes cloud stuff so silky smooth that people don’t notice it.)
Computer natives are millennials. In due time, millennials will be what cobol programmers are in the coding world.
“On you want your recycle bin emptied? Yeah, thats gonna cost you.”GenX. We started with nothing and went from there.
I still know my way around autoexec.bat and config.sys
Finally some gen X representation!
I had my hard earned ZX81 thankyouverymuch.
Well, now that I think about it you’re right, before that there was absolutely utterly nothing at all.
On you want your recycle bin emptied? Yeah, thats gonna cost you.
aka what we’ve already been doing to relatives
I love that Gen Alpha won’t even get this reference because the movie came out 30 years before they were born.
Not part of Gen A (I think this whole generation thing is a bit pointless anyway), but what is the movie?
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (also had a decent tie-in point and click adventure game in 1989)
The entire trilogy are some of the greatest movies ever made.
Do not speak of the others. For they are shit and probably a money laundering scheme.
Is it? Lost Ark and Crusade are great, but Temple of Doom? I remember not liking it that much.
It launched the career of Quan Kế Huy, and gave young me my first ripping someone’s heart out scene.
Fair enough :D
Fate of Atlantis slapped when I was a kid. Probably worth a ScummVM revisit.
An absolute classic.
Removed by mod
Ow, my age
Shame they never invented anything to store such treasures on for later generations. Nobody but people alive in the 80s will ever see this classic gem.
I wonder: Has this happened with anything else?
Where an older generation struggled to understand at all, a middle generation adapted to it early enough to witness all of the quirks, and then a later generation was born into an already-smoothed out system — and they all lived simultaneously?
Seems like a uniquely modern thing, but then again agriculture and clothing and currency have all had periods of rapid change in the past.
Like were there Generation F dudes out there like “omg we’re the only ones who understand knitting frames smh”?
Ford Model T came with a complete manual for disassembly, maintenance, and repair. It made a generation of Americans fluent in mechanics who then went on to win World War II, to the Moon, and higher up skyscrapers than ever.
“Learn this as a child:”
“Do this as an adult:”
Never again. Right to repair doesn’t do much when the manual is so expensive only brand-dedicated repair shops can afford it.
Have you heard about our Lord and Saviour, iFixit?
For real though, look it up. Some 100k or so free repair manuals in twelve languages from phones to washing machines. And often enough, the necessary toolkit in their shop.
Upgraded every old MacBook (2009pro, 2015 pro) I had with bigger harddrives and did small repairs with ifixit instructions. But you notice they get less repairable over time. The 2009 thing was built like a tank and you could upgrade ram, replace a broken GPU and this thing over all felt very repairable. I still works but isn’t that useful any more 16 years after release. 2015 was way less repairable.
Yeah sure, repairing devices got harder over years and some devices simply aren’t repairable at all (at least not for laypeople who aren’t training or experienced in certain techniques like soldering) or you need very special equipment. But the manuals are less of a problem.
Re-Legalize Right To Repair and pirates will take care of the rest
The old cars were also designed in such a way that you had to understand how the thing was constructed and functioned in order to make it work. Nowadays, I only barely understand how shifting gears works mechanically and drive an automatic. Modern cars do much of the work for you, much like modern computers.
Cars also used to be a lot less reliable. Knowing how to change a spark plug for example used to be common knowledge.
My library gives us free access to Chilton online. It’s not the best for everything, but all of the information comes from the factory service manual. Plus you can find a lot of information online. You just have to learn what to look for.
There’s loads of places scattered around the internet where full service manuals are hosted for free for nearly any consumer product that has one available. The trouble is actually finding them…
Artificial scarcity enforced by capitalism.
Never thought of it this way, but you could be right
Analog mechanical systems are so much more intuitive than digital ones though. The ability to physically see and touch and connect and tinker with things feels vastly more human than pointing and clicking and cursing and screaming.
Not unintuitive for lack of trying - some big minds tried hard and failed. Jerome Bruner, Seymour Papert, Alan Kay, Bret Victor.
Alan and Bret are mentioned in the “Sick sad history of computer-aided collaboration”:
https://www.quora.com/Who-invented-the-modern-computer-look-and-feel/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen
Such a shame americans seems to think the only thing they need is to be american now. Don’t get me wrong, you’re still the most innovative (with europe?) but that’s what it feels like from the outside anyway.
Feel free to tell me I’m wrong though, it’s just a feeling 😅!
I think OP mentioned “a generation of Americans” because that’s the example they thought of, not because they think being American made the people exceptional.
You’re not wrong though - a lot of Americans definitely seem to think that just “being American” is some kind of accomplishment in and of itself. Meritless jingoism is intense here.
But I don’t see it being related to the previous comment.
This happened with the shift from manual to automatic transmissions. I used to frequently hear/read people complaining that no one knows how to drive a stick anymore.
no one knows how to drive a stick any more!! .
Oh, your mom can drive a stick all right
the last car she drove was a stick i believe it was a 1990 mazda protege in a blue green color. but i know she had a Camaro at some point too
its a lost art
My parents tried to teach me how to use a manual transmission, but I simply could not get the timing down no matter how much I practiced.
No shade to your parents, but they were teaching you wrong. It only takes a few hours of good instruction to properly drive a stick, and it’s not about timing, it’s about clutch feel.
You start by sitting on your right foot (like half Indian style) so that only your left foot can work the controls. Push in the clutch and find 1st. Let out the clutch until you feel it just start to grab and the car starts to move forward. Clutch back in a bit to keep from stalling, then back out until you are idling forward in 1st. You are gonna stall the engine A LOT here. This is the most important foundational skill. Keep practicing until you can start the car moving with the clutch alone. Then, using both legs now, add a bit of gas and shift to 2nd, then back to a stop. Should be a small addition to what you now know.
Next, we learn to reverse. Hold the engine from neutral at 800 to 1200 rpm (don’t rev the nuts off it) and let the clutch out to the friction point again. The clutch is like an inverted gas pedal in an automatic. Push the clutch pedal in to slow down, let it out to speed up.
All that’s left after that is figuring out starting uphill. You are going to stall it a few times, but in two weeks of driving a manual, you’ll be good at it. Only thing from here is double clutching, which doesn’t buy you much since syncros were added to transmissions.
Landline telephones.
Original ones you rotated a hand crank to talk to an operator.
Then came rotary phones, that knowledge is slowly going away and old farts are like ‘young people are stupid because they can’t use a rotary phone’.
Now we have touch tone phones.Maybe commercial flying or electricity
Electricity definitely spent a generation or two in the “requires technical knowledge from the user” zone before all the standardization and safety requirements got figured out.
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I’m also really curious. I feel like this has to have happened, but I wonder if the level of change from a technical and societal perspective in such a short time frame has happened. As the world becomes more global, the speed that technology impacts other aspects of society also becomes quicker.
How many people you know could explain to you what happens when you turn on the light?
Yeah, pretty much.
The whole thing about guys not stoping to ask for directions and never reading instructions for assembling things all comes out of that generation where you never left home unless you knew where you were going, and everyone had basic level carpentry, plumbing, and electrical skills because had built a barn or assembled a kit house or installed a sink before.
Hand someone from that generation a manual of a swedish amorphic blob giving you a thumbs up to assemble an IKEA end table and they’re like “yeah I don’t need that”. It’s not about the end goal of having a table. It’s about having the knowledge to assemble the table. What is this part? How is it used? What would it do if I put it here vs there?
They get handed locked down chromebooks or iPads at schools. They’re only really exposed to a walled garden, and they also aren’t explicitly taught a lot of concepts that need to be taught (almost all MS/HS I’ve met have passwords which are just sliding their finger across the keyboard - it’s bewildering. I teach “correct horse battery staple.”)
You can’t learn much if you can’t install your own software. Learning is breaking things though, and most schools seem allergic to hiring competent tech teams/setting up sandboxed computer labs. Security concerns are huge - eg, if your kids school uses PowerSchool they probably got hacked this year - but when your teaching physics and can’t install MathLab or whatever…
There are still the little geeks that figure out how to get video game emulators going - Pokémon Emerald is probably more popular among middle schoolers today than it was in 2005.
I’m a xennial. I was so excited by computers, and later the internet. It completely absorbed me to the point that I would get up an hour early for school so I could mess around with the computer before catching the bus. A beautiful (ugly) Compaq with a 200n megabyte hard drive, 2 megs of ram. 86 architecture. I was about 11 years old.
I played a few games, but I spent much more time messing around the system in DOS. Making batch files, then working with qbasic. Of course I played Nintendo games as well. After we got internet I used a 28.8kbps modem to upload my own webpage via FTP.
I remember thinking, even as a child/teenager, that the kids of the future were going to be incredible, being born into the digital internet age. I was so wrong. My classmates struggled with computers because they weren’t amazed by them like I was. Touch typing class had nothing on ICQ.
I think there are a lot of xennials on Lemmy. It was crushing to see that the generations before and after us can’t comprehend the basics of computers. Then smartphones happened and everything got so much worse.
You were a nerd interested in computers. They still exist in younger generations. Just became way less common because the necessity disappeared for most people. Most prefer computers (or any device or tech really) that “just works”. Some are interested in how things work. 90% of Lemmy is the latter, from all generations but many in their 30s and 40s because that was peak computer learning age: rather cheap hardware, software still needed to be hacked together somewhat, clear rewards when doing so (for example messing with game settings IRQ etc to get it running).
I’ve met people born late 90s early 00s doing PhD in computer science who barely seem to know basic general computer stuff… All they know is that one extremely niche thingy they’re into. They never needed to learn general basics that much, stuff just worked out of the box.
Yeah it’s wild. I don’t think it’s good but I’m not doing a great job teaching. One of my gen Z nephews expressed an interest so I gave him my old PC, took it apart with him and put it back together, explained everything.
He rearranged his room and told me when he hooked everything back up his games were super slow. Every time I touch his PC I clean it up from scam shit spyware etc. I pretend not to notice where all this stuff came from.
But this time was different. He’d plugged his monitor into the motherboard instead of the graphics card. He recently redid his room again and got it right this time! Small victories.
Every time I touch his PC I clean it up from scam shit spyware etc. I pretend not to notice where all this stuff came from.
Let they that never borked the family PC with “boobs.exe” from limewire castle the first stone!
Carving an entire castle from one stone would be incredibly impressive engineering. Or a very small castle.
Fucking Autoassume…I’m leaving it because it’s fucking funny 🤣
At first I had assumed you’d look at my profile and were making a topical joke. I’m a Stone Mason, and I work in Conservation. So, this is incredibly fun/funny and I’m absolutely here for it!
I think the real cross-generational parallel here going back is Boomers and cars. Their parents before WWII had the equivalent of bare bones stuff, but Boomer era cars were more complicated, but also meant status and were a hobby.
Looking forward, the Gen Z and A kids are just utterly abused by the social media that we xennials/millennial told them was a safe new requirement for life. It wasn’t. It was our leaded gasoline and secondhand smoke. However, their opportunity environment is that they don’t behave like we did as consumers. Their expectation that all media should be free and immediately available is where the world needs to bend to them. As Boomers loose their grip on the economy, open source everything is going to be the world they created for us.
We don’t need to expect everyone to learn like we did because it was a unique moment in time where tinkering got us somewhere in that specific area. But can you fix a carburetor float? No, and Boomers see your lack of awareness there the same as you see deficiencies in others.
I can fix a carb float and also use a computer
People who can do both certainly exist, but they exist within a sliver of purple in the Venn diagram.
Can also fix a carb and write code too. Skills are useful!
Specialization is for insects
At a recent gaming expo one of the tables was showing a new game for pc. 50% of the kids that approached the table didn’t know how to use mouse and keyboard. The next day they added Xbox controller support and more than half of the people that didn’t know before then were able to figure out how to play.
I think this boils down to not education but poverty. Entry level computers cost way more than an entry level console. Sure you can buy a piece of crap laptop for $250 but it won’t be able to play ANYTHING. A $250 Xbox does everything you need and more. Most games today are not made to be played on $250 computers.
you can buy a piece of crap laptop for $250 but it won’t be able to play ANYTHING
a thinkpad t490 can’t play anything new but it can play quite a bit. I play emulators on mine.
A brand new T490 was over 900 bucks retail depending on the specs, and a used one is still less cost effective than, let’s say, a used PS3 or PS4…
cost effective
I’m not so sure. A used Thinkpad comes with everything you need, whereas a PS3 or PS4 also needs a screen and a controller at bare minimum. The Thinkpad also has access to a game library of (checks notes) almost every single game ever made excluding mainly AAA titles from the 2010s onward. The PS3/4 is only the better value proposition if you specifically want to play those kinds of games, or if you highly value plug-and-play ease of use.
The Thinkpad also has access to a game library of (checks notes) almost every single game ever made excluding mainly AAA titles from the 2010s onward.
The same can be said of (Checks notes) a console with a Custom Firmware, plus a cheap TV brand new is around 90 dollars. The thinkpad is only good to play retro games or non demanding titles, also the experience of playing in a 14" display with laptop keyboard and a PS/2 trackpad sucks.
Me who grew up with old thinkpad from my dad’s work’s ewaste box:
And they haven’t heard of used or sailing the high seas.
They’re about as well prepared to deal with computers as people who had a teddy bear when they were children are prepared to be a veterinary.
I’m an 80’s kid. We had to learn everything: MS-DOS, Windows, how to install OS’s and software, serial ports, etc. Nothing was easy or convenient. You had to LEARN how and why things worked if you wanted to run games and things.
My dad never used any of our actual PC’s. He wouldn’t know which way to hold the mouse, much less anything else. We tried to teach him, but he just couldn’t grasp any of the fundamentals.
But with an iPad? That’s easy. It just works. He can e-mail, do Facebook, watch YouTube or other streaming…
Point is: we made shit way too accessible and convenient. Kids never have to learn anything anymore. So they don’t. We literally had to teach interns the basics of working with a desktop; all they’ve ever used was an iPad and phone.
It also lead to the destruction of the old web. Back in the early to late ‘90’s, you had to be a nerd to use it. To WANT to use it even. But now that it’s so easy and convenient even my completely tech illiterate dad can get online, things have turned to shit. We never should’ve made it this convenient.
It’s funny. You’re telling us that the technology was too complicated for some people to use, then you say we got to the point that it just works and you end with this being bad. Why do you think that?
In short, the complexity acted as a filter. It was a barrier to entry, which meant you had to be a bit of a nerd to get online. Back in the ‘90’s, people made fun of you for being an online nerd. But it also meant that the people who got online tended to be smarter. More educated.
The internet of the ‘90’s had a very nerdy culture. The worst debates were about Star Wars vs Star Trek. We disagreed on some things, but on the whole it was ‘us nerds’ online.
Now that we made it this easy, there’s no longer a filter: you can find anyone and everyone online. Including some folks who can’t really handle this much freedom without being assholes with it. The web also gravitated towards bigger platforms which, ironically, have much less of a community feel than the old web. In the 90’s, I knew everyone on a forum by name. But on a subreddit with a million people, there’s no real ‘community’.
The web these days is also overrun with politics, which simply wasn’t a thing back in say, 1995.
When technology was too hard for the tech-illiterate to use, your grandma wasn’t sharing stories about Haitians eating cats and dogs, and your deadbeat cousin didn’t waste his life savings on Trump’s cryptocurrency
It goes back to critical thinking, the struggle to learn something is the most important part.
I completely blame schools adopting ChromeOS for this generational failure.
At least give them a functional OS god damn. People out here not knowing you can do more than access like 5 websites and apps with literally anything that has a microprocessor in it.
As if the average schoolteacher knows how to properly teach how to use a full OS to kids. Many millennials lack basic IT skills as well.
There exists a generation of people today that do not know that the save icon shows a floppy disk. They have no idea what a floppy disk even was.
I feel old now and will go back into my cave and weep quietly.
Amiga user: “Everyone knows the floppy save, but how do you save to the hard drive?”
Save to folder:
iOS users: "What the hell is a ‘Folder’?!?”
I tell younglings this fact all the time
Don’t know no C, only /dev/sda1.
Gen Z: Where is my file and what is a directory?
I would say that this is not just to blame on the Generation, but to large extents of how stuff is designed these days. It has been becoming harder and harder to control where stuff is stored, and to find it outside of the intended app, and this, IMHO is by design, to wrestle the control of your own device from your hands. Just look at how aggressively Microsoft is pushing one drive in its office suite, they want control over those documents so they can lock you into a subscription model.
Of course it’s not the fault of the generation. It’s the school system who still doesn’t teach proper basic IT skills. Schools should have never touched Chromebooks or even MS products. A Windows like Linux distro and Libreoffice would teach kids the basic IT skills that are transferable across different OSs. Would have been cheaper as well. Bet if you follow the money that somebody in the school system with executive decision on IT matters gets massive kickbacks from Google or MS
