• @renzev@lemmy.world
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    Interesting how these types of people seem to have a set of phrases with their own fixed meanings that don’t necessarily correspond to the literal meanings of the words that make them up. “Can’t trust the government” in this context really means “can’t trust liberals/progressives”. You can see that in her response if you watch the video. She’s not stumped when the reporter points out the apparent contradiction. She expect everyone to make the same mental substitution, under which there is no contradiction.

    Another good example is a 5 minute youtube video about homelessness from a fake university with an orange logo. They cite an example of a bridge between Los Angeles and Culver City that has a major homeless encampment on one side, but not the other, due to different laws in the two cities. To quote directly:

    the Los Angeles side is full of tents and the Culver City side is empty. Why? Because the two cities have different public policies. Los Angeles has effectively decriminalized public camping and drug consumption while Culver City enforces the law.

    If Los Angeles has no law against homelessness, then what law is it supposedly failing to enforce? This seems like a contradiction, until you realize that “Culver City enforces the law” has nothing to do with actual laws, but with the “law” of the moral framework that the authors are trying to propagandize.

    • @JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world
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      if LA has no law

      They didn’t claim their was no law, they said they decriminalized it. Which means it’s still illegal but unenforced by criminal charges, just like weed is decriminalized in many states but still federally illegal.

      I don’t disagree with you that people put out bullshit but… Can we not put out bullshit to prove it?

      ETA: Italics

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        You’re largely correct, “decriminalized” doesn’t mean it’s legal, but I just wanted to point out that it doesn’t necessarily mean unenforced. Just that it’s no longer a criminal charge. Something can be decriminalized and still be in violation of the law and enforced with fines or other deterrents, e.g. traffic violations. You’re not a criminal for speeding, it’s still illegal and enforced.

    • @aesthelete@lemmy.world
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      Is there a name for this phenomenon for when people start to look inbred due to having all of the terrible plastic surgery? It’s like the Habsburg jaw but within a single generation because the deformity wasn’t a product of breeding.

      • @vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works
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        313 months ago

        Brian Posehn called it “Hot Girl Down Syndrome” several years ago on a special. While I understand that is problematic, it’s so spot on it does work as a fantastic shorthand.

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        It depends on what you’re trying to criticize, and understanding that would take some willingness to learn.

        Dead eye expressions and facial expressions = botox. Botox paralyzes. Over time this can ofc cause muscle wasting leading to volume loss.

        Once the volume loss sets in, the esthetician recommends hyaluronic acid fillers usually. We naturally have hyaluronic acid in our skin, but older fillers were made of types of hyaluronic acid that were lumpier and harder. Now, we have many new strategies for inserting hyaluronic acid in the face including microneedling which is more diffuse, and fillers that aren’t as lumpy and don’t migrate as much.

        Fillers migrates because when you move your face, you squish the filler and other extracellular fluids around. When your skin and connective tissue is repairing itself well, this is nbd. When we are older, our skin becomes more efficient and so it doesn’t repair these fluid pathways as much, doesn’t have enough collagen and material to do so. This causes insulin, estrogen, blood supply, etc, to form in pockets (often next to the wrinkle, eg jowls, 11 lines, marionette lines, have bulges around the wrinkle) and also squish away from these compressed areas, leading to more collagen loss and eventually forming wrinkles.

        So they paralyze the muscle to avoid that, leading to volume loss… you see where I’m going with this? They put their facial muscles in a vegetative state and then plump the skin above it to look like muscle, accelerating aging and making things a little worse. Although I will say technically hyaluronic acid is supposed to help the skin itself stay young looking and is even a treatment for certain bladder diseases and injuries. It just looks so uncanny valley, especially when they talk, because it’s not their natural muscle like we expect.

        Then there’s looking plastic itself with other procedures, but most people aren’t clocking these too much. Tom Brady’s recent transformation is a good example, or pretty much any celeb buccal fat surgery is hard for people to clock. Upper blephs are another one that are hard for people to pinpoint, eg Pamela Anderson, Miley Cyrus. And subtle nose jobs are pretty much unclockable for many people too.

        • @aesthelete@lemmy.world
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          I’m trying to criticize basically all of the women Trump goons. Most of them wind up looking like the glamour shot version of “Mob Wives”.

          • LustyArgonian
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            Oh that’s just called MAGA makeup or MAGA face and it’s been trending on other socials for a while. Girls have been doing makeup looks making fun of it and asking people to guess. It’s been going on for so long the Trump girls have started to try to do it, and then be like, “surprise! I was MAGA the whole time and you didn’t know so this trend was stupid!” But the ones going viral are the bad makeup ones where you indeed could tell the whole time, so it’s pretty funny. It’s like millions of views on these videos, it’s been trending.

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              Lara Trump isn’t just a bad makeup job. Kimberly Guilfoyle isn’t either. Lara Loomer kinda has it too, and this lady definitely has it.

              Kari Lake has the same look going on to an extent…and because they look so awful they get people to shoot them with this weirdo soft lighting.

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                Yes, it’s filler and muscle wasting, see my original post.

                But that’s not strictly a MAGA thing, so people tend to not say much about filler face. Or it’s seen as too mean to say something.

                There’s also blurring makeup that has a weird effect on cameras that is being used too.

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                  I’m not sure I need to know the technical details to see the obviously terrible result, but I appreciate the education anyway. It never hurts to become a little more educated. Cheers!

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    We can’t trust the government now. We couldn’t trust it before either, but we also can’t trust it now.

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      The sad thing is, there actually used to be some areas in which you could trust the government. You could trust the CDC for health information, the FDIC with your money, the FDA for food regulations, the USPS to deliver your mail…

      Nowadays, everything good about government will be getting axed and everything bad amplified. But what can you do~

      • @Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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        I would wait for a Canada or EU approved vaccine.

        Will they require people to be vaccinated to travel if they’re explicitly traveling there to be vaccinated?

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          Fun question. Unfortunately, I assume yes. They used to check your vaccination status before granting you entry at the border/airport.

      • @OneTwoThree@mander.xyz
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        53 months ago

        What with how Trump is pulling out of WHO and deregulating the chicken industry, if the avian flu becomes transmissible to humans, it will make COVID-19 look like childsplay. At which point things may get so dire vaccine hesitancy is likely to get you killed, and I’d probably recommend a quick plane trip to Canada to get vaccinated, if that’s even still an option…

      • LustyArgonian
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        Well, it won’t be Covid-25, it’ll be H5N1 bird flu, which so far has a mortality rate of 50%-60% in people and damn near 100% in birds and 70% in cats. Covid-19 was around 1% and killed millions.

        Even if bird flu is more around 30%, that’s an insane number.

        The bird flu vaccine has mostly been developed and iirc is available in some European countries. We have a vaccine here too but it hasn’t gone to trial.

        If you get that vaccine or not may very well be life or death.

  • @DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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    133 months ago

    Literal, actual retards are running the show now.

    Placed there by literal, actual retarded Americans.

    Wild that our country became so pathetic.

        • @AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net
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          63 months ago

          Take your pick — There’s a whole world of insults that don’t involve punching down at marginalised groups. I realise that may sound hyperbolic, but I say it because I’m someone who is sometimes the recipient of that slur, and it’s jarring to see it in spaces like this. I know that in this case, it wasn’t at me, but a key part of why insults like this carry weight is because of the comparison it makes to people like me (even if only implicitly).

          My hope is that we might be more creative with our insults when solidarity is our best weapon against these assholes

          • @Dasus@lemmy.world
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            I’m watching the shows “Life on Mars” and “Ashes to Ashes”, both of which prominently display modern sensibilities in the 70’s and 80’s, respectably.

            It’s very easy to hear the problem youre describing if one can’t see/hear it in the modern context. The amount of casual racism, sexism, misogyny, homophobia, ableism. (Hard ableism, as in a deaf kid gets treated as if they were mentally disabled.)

            • @AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net
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              Oh yeah, I can imagine; I feel like I would cringe if I rewatched those shows (especially as I was less visibly disabled back when I watched them the first time, and so hadn’t experienced random ableist slurs directed at me by strangers on the street).

              Whenever someone mentions that the 70s and 80s were 40-50 years ago, I usually feel uncomfortable at the inexorable passage of time and my place within it; however when I consider how far we’ve come since then though, across many different domains, I feel slightly heartened — when the reality is that progress happens a trickle at a time, I feel less small and overwhelmed at my own capacity to make change happen.

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                I don’t know if you realised, but I’m not talking about shows from the 70’s and 80’s, but of shows which are from 2006 and 2008 and which have the main character be of that modern era and then experience the 70’s/80’s through the lens of someone from ~2007.

                Yeah I was born in the 80’s, I definitely know that feel. My brain still defaults to calculating things as if it were 2000. “The 70’s? That’s 30 years ago.”

                • @AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net
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                  No, no, I know what you mean. I can see how my phrasing was confusing though. I watched the shows you mentioned when they first came out, but I think that I would cringe far more today than I did back then. Ignorance is bliss (for those privileged enough to be ignorant)

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            I understand what you’re saying, and I agree.

            That being said, most people don’t know how to throw a punch. To the degree that many people need to be told not to hold their thumbs in their fist. They aren’t concerned with the collateral damage, to themselves or otherwise - they’re just throwing the punch.

            I’m not saying it’s right, but this is the reality. These people have never been trained to recognize the value of articulating themselves correctly, or maybe they have but they’ve been in the monkey pit for so long that they just learned how to fling shit as a defense mechanism.

            I don’t think you’re wrong in advocating for the abolishment of certain words, or rather the uses of those words. I do think you’re pissin in the wind, though.

            • @AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net
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              I do think you’re pissin in the wind, though.

              You may be right, but hope has gotten me much farther than defeatism has. And I’ve never been clinging so desperately to hope as now, when the US is being governed by such abominable lickspittles. (I confess that my previous comment about creativity in insults caused me to be a bit extra here).

              Besides, I’ve had plenty of times when I’ve been foolish and saying things that I didn’t realise were harmful. Humans are incredibly easily swayed by group norms, and this is often for the worse. However, I’ve found that there can be a huge impact from people saying “hey, not cool”. I don’t have to be someone who changes any minds, just someone who can feel like they tried, regardless of if the tides change in the direction I’m pushing.

              Plus, you’d actually be surprised at how many times I’ve had productive conversations on Lemmy from engaging earnestly with someone being aggressive. One of the reasons I like hanging out here is that I feel much more like I’m talking to people, in part because of how much more I see people apologising or being mature in dicey conversations. I certainly wouldn’t say that I have good results every time, but it’s often enough that it’s a key part of what I enjoy on this platform. Especially because I have enjoyed this wee conversation that you and I have had, independent of the person I was originally speaking to — you also count as one of the 'surprisingly pleasant" interactions that spring forth from challenging someone (especially as your first comment made me expect you to be far more adversarial than you have been).

              Small wins, but I’ll take them

      • @Oderus@lemmy.world
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        13 months ago

        It’s not a slur as much as it’s a definition. To be retarded means delayed or slow. It has nothing to do with mentally handicapped people.

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          It has everything to do with “mentally handicapped” people. The word “retarded”, used as an insult, derived from the term “mental retardation”, which was previously the actual clinical and legal term for a person with what we now refer to as “intellectual disability”. The use of “retarded” as a slur/insult is the whole reason why the clinical term was changed. It had come to be seen as derogatory and ableist even when used in a clinical context.

          Source: the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. The term “mental retardation” was used through the fourth edition, which was last revised in the year 2000. It lasted until the 5th edition, which wasn’t published until 2013. Various organizations/agencies changed their terminology prior.

          Fwiw, I’m a licensed clinician and I have diagnosed people with intellectual disabilities. I understand your perspective on the word, and I even shared a similar opinion until I learned how it has been used as a slur toward people who do have intellectual disabilities and developmental delays. Because of learning that, I now don’t use it as an insult. We do better when we know better.

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          This my friends is a distinction without a difference. Dude really implied that being “delayed”, as in developmentally delayed, has nothing to do with the handicapped. Astounding.

          • @Oderus@lemmy.world
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            There is a difference. Morons that we call retarded are that way because they choose to be. They aren’t mentally handicapped. Mentally handicapped people don’t choose to be mentally handicapped. Which one are you?

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              Mentally handicapped people don’t choose to be mentally handicapped. Which one are you?

              Yes, I choose to be mentally handicapped right? And somehow this is not disparaging against the mentally handicapped? Like do you understand what your argument is? I’ve seen LLMs with more awareness.

                • ✺roguetrick✺
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                  When we’re taking flagrantly willfull ignorance my friend, you certainly get the gold star.

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                  Better to be seen as the r slur than to espouse the same rhetoric as Nazis.

                  A person with down syndrome would be a better president than Donald Trump and probably Biden. There are many people with intellectual disabilities who’d never vote for someone like Trump.

                  It’s being a dick, a horrible immoral person, that got us here, and that’s you. You’re acting like a Nazi.

        • @AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net
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          In the context of talking about people, that word has everything to do with the people who it has been used as a slur against, including, but not limited to “mentally handicapped”.

          OP was clearly using the phrase as a derogatory term for people, and the only dictionary sense that fits there is the one that has ableist allusions. If the context of use were different, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. For example, I wouldn’t have a problem with the phrase “The PCM responds by retarding ignition timing—either until the knock disappears, or until maximum spark retard is reached.” or “The Friar’s alibi finds him at the right place but always a moment in retard”.

          That you’re taking such a literal reading here makes me wonder whether your comment was made in bad faith such that I shouldn’t bother wasting my time, but I’m hoping that there could actually be some meaningful dialogue here (after all, there’s a reason why I didn’t just report OP and move on). It might not affect your opinion, but I have direct experience of the r-slur that has been directed at me (not infrequently) when I am people read visibly disabled. I’m not “mentally handicapped”, but as a word, it has grown far beyond it’s original context of use. I say this to give context on my original comment — I’m not just going about tone policing people for fun: I commented what I did because it hurts to see that word thrown at people when part of what makes it effective as an insult is its attachment to people like me.

          Once upon a time, the r-slur was actually considered one of the more appropriate words to describe people who are intellectually disabled. If I were alive in that era, I’d have likely been left to rot in an institution, and allowed only a fraction of the independence I’m able to have nowadays. But times change, and so does our understanding of the baggage that words pick up.

          To draw an analogy, it wouldn’t be appropriate to call a black person the n-word, on the basis that it derives from the Spanish word for “black”. That etymology isn’t wrong, but it’s still missing the forest for the trees.

      • @chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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        Not sure what you’re trying to say here. I’m against mass surveillance! I’m against big powerful government in general. All the fear people had with the Republicans coming to power would not have happened if there was no power for them to come to in the first place.

        As for crime, that’s the job of a small, local, effective, community police force to deal with. Not a militarized thug squad that we have now!

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          Small local police can not deal with everything tho. There is a reason for multiple “layers”. The problem arise when anyone can be police, dealing with people’s lives without any meaningful training or selection, while other professions need years of training and certificates before they are allowed to do far less consequential things.

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            The problem with police is that they are “others.” If they were members of their communities and they knew the people they worked with (say, by walking a beat on foot and talking to people like a friendly mail carrier) then we wouldn’t have these issues.

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              But that would take far more cops to actually know people? Like in the order of one per 100? There are currently 700’000 cops, that would be 5x as many. How many people could one cop realistically know? What problem would this “knowing people” actually solve?

    • @Maggoty@lemmy.world
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      This government doesn’t provide for people’s needs and is still powerful enough to take everything from us.

      The real problem is if it’s not powerful enough to maintain a top position on violence then I’ll end up paying a second set of taxes to the local sheriff and his posse of Ranchers.

      We need to ensure power is used responsibly. Not just get rid of it and hope nobody comes along to fill the vacuum. (Spoiler Alert, they will, and there won’t be voting)

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      I’m sure a social safety net propped up entirely by bureaucrats is going to suddenly deprive every one of their rights. It won’t be a government with mass surveillance and militarized police. Nope, those are definitely not two different things. Big government is big government regardless of form apparently.

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        I’m not against safety nets. I’m against bureaucracies and mass data collection. A social safety that features mass surveillance (means testing) is another tool for social control. A simple safety net via a negative income tax doesn’t leave any cookies in the jar for Musk and his goons to plunder.

        Good fences make good neighbours. The government I trust most is the one with the least power to hurt me. When you vote for a new bureaucracy with broad powers over people’s lives you’re setting a time bomb that’s waiting to explode the moment the bad guy wins an election.

        Never forget that it was the power of the bureaucracy that allowed the Nazis to be so ruthlessly efficient at rounding up all the Jews. The lesson of history was not “only the good guys should be allowed to win”, it’s “we shouldn’t be leaving so many loaded guns laying around the house.”