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You forgot the 3rd panel: exploit people.
you generally have to win the birth lottery to get a head start there though
Are there no workhouses? Are there no prisons?
What if you are a shitty employee and the capitalist doesn t notice. You are getting payed way to much for the little work you do. Or you are working solo and selling your own goods those are choices.
For your first, outliers exist in every system, but a system is its averages and not its outliers. For the latter, you can’t really be expected to compete with mass manufacturing on price per quality.
You obviously cannot compete with mass production goods, but there are a lot of products like food, art etc, that benefit from being unique. I agree tho it is not the norm, but still a choice.
For now. Eventually even those industries will fail to compete.
i dont think that is what capitalism tries to be, its just that we have all these big corrupt governments that take things to this point
These big corrupt governments are a direct product of how the capitalist system functions. Politics are fundamentally inseparable from economics.
if you argue that big corrupt governments are a product of the capitalist system, then ill argue big oppressive governments are a product of the communist system
at the end of the day, i think both of these systems can work in theory, the problem is that neither one of these systems are implemented properly
as long fundamental human values such as ethics, morality, justice, equality and democracy are not valued, it doesn’t matter which system you choose, it’s not gonna work
And you’d be wrong to argue that because communist system produces governments that actually represent people. At the end of the day, you should spend some time actually learning about the subject you’re attempting to debate instead of wasting everyone’s time writing musings born out of ignorance.
so are you arguing that big communist governments such as china and north korea (and in the past soviet union) are not oppressive or their oppressiveness have nothing to do with communist system?
I can say that with absolute confidence having personally grown up in USSR. Similarly, if you look at the public opinions from China or Cuba it’s pretty clear nobody is feeling oppressed. You can even login in to Xiaohongshu yourself and talk to people in China and see they’re not oppressed. Seems that all the people oppressed by communists are either scum bag capitalist or they exist solely in the deranged minds of western libs.
or maybe they are scared to say that they are oppressed because they know that the app you are talking about is heavily moderated by the government? see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaohongshu#Content_moderation_and_censorship
also see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China
i didn’t grow up in ussr, however another user who did apparently didn’t have the same experience with you and there’s also a wikipedia page for human rights in soviet union which also contradicts your experience: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Soviet_Union
Ah yes, everybody in China is afraid to speak their mind. Imagine being a grown ass adult and genuinely believing that. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised given that you evidently form all your opinions based on wikipedia.
Weirdly, pretty much every western study on China shows that people actually living in China see their country as being more democratic than people living in US do.
- https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176
- https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2021/0218/Vilified-abroad-popular-at-home-China-s-Communist-Party-at-100
- https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/which-nations-are-democracies-some-citizens-might-disagree
- https://web.archive.org/web/20230511041927/https://6389062.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/6389062/Canva images/Democracy Perception Index 2023.pdf
- https://www.tbsnews.net/world/china-more-democratic-america-say-people-98686
- https://web.archive.org/web/20201229132410/https://en.news-front.info/2020/06/27/studies-have-shown-that-china-is-more-democratic-than-the-united-states-russia-is-nearby-and-ukraine-is-at-the-bottom/
Maybe there is no conspiracy here and vast majority of people in China genuinely live happy lives, and you just can’t accept that because of your biases.
Meanwhile, the user who is disagreeing with me is listing absolute nonsense as examples of supposed oppression which I already addressed in my other reply.
I agree, through the lens of unfetted capitalism, but, with adequate regulation, I don’t think this is a necessary outcome. Although, perhaps “unfetted capitalism” isn’t capitalism?
Capitalism can’t last forever due to issues like the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall, and tendency towards monopolization over time. Regulation doesn’t stop this.
Why would capitalists, who run the system under capitalism, choose to regulate themselves?
Perhaps it’s time to stop using appeals to purity and acknowledge that this is how capitalism functions in practice everywhere it’s been tried. Entire books have been written on the subject of why capital concentration is a necessary product of capitalism, and how capitalists use their wealth in shape society in their own interest. The government ultimately represents the class that holds power, and in a capitalist society it happens to be the capital owning class. That’s why even when regulations are enacted, they’re always dismantled in the end.
I probably get hate for this but I think it’s too easy to blame everything on capitalism. I think the lack of governance of big businesses is what is actually causing issues. The laws allow for exploitation and the infinite accumulation of wealth. Capitalism has to follow the laws…
Have you considered that there may be a link between Capitalism as a Mode of Production and the continuous strengthening of power in Monopolies over the State?
How can you not understand that all these things are related and are a direct product of the way capitalist system function.
The capitalist class largely writes the laws, and they don’t like competition at all.
- Competition is for losers. — Peter Thiel[1][2]
- George Carlin: It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.
- [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
- “Bourgeois Democracy”: What Do Marxists Mean By This Term?
Damn, who would have thought that a system where power comes from holding capital, the laws favor those who hold capital.
