Welcome, new industry heads. That’s how it works. China takes a car, picks it apart and builds a cheaper car. That’s what they’ve been doing for decades now.
That’s par for the course, but it’s hilarious that openai “we have to get copyrighted material for free because fuck you” is pulling that defense now.
Yep.
We got angry when Japan did this in the 60s and 70s. I’m going to paste part of the opening from Neal Stephenson’s “Snow Crash.”
Why is the Deliverator so equipped? Because people rely on him. He is a roll model. This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, you got a problem with that? Because they have a right to. And because they have guns and no one can fucking stop them. As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. When it gets down to it – talking trade balances here – once we’ve brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they 're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here – once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel – once the Invisible Hand has taken all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity – y’know what? There’s only four things we do better than anyone else
- music
- movies
- microcode (software)
- high-speed pizza delivery
The Deliverator used to make software. Still does, sometimes. But if life were a mellow elementary school run by well-meaning education Ph.D.s, the Deliverator ’ s report card would say: “Hiro is so bright and creative but needs to work harder on his cooperation skills.”
I’m kinda reminded of the tale of how the Zilog Z80 processor chip had dozens of little “tricks” built into it. It was being produced in Japan which at the time was famous for their chip production and for copying chip designs. Apparently their little tricks were baffling enough that it delayed the appearance of knock-offs chips by half a year.
Ah the Burger King model
Look at its widdle toes! 🥹
Those are clearly fiddle toes, in this case.
That’s lovely.
Well I always thought I knew what the smallest violin looks like!
Would you download a LLM?
Would you hug a face?
I would. I gave llamafile a try, and while it’s good, they have an issue with parsing responses that have {{ and }} in them, so it’s kind of useless for Laravel development unfortunately lol
There’s substantial evidence that what DeepSeek did here is they distilled the knowledge out of OpenAI’s models […]
I will explain what this means in a moment, but first: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha.
LMFAOOO 😂😂
Gonna cry, technofeudalist lord?
I don’t particularly agree that LLMs are nothing more than spicy autocorrect nor is it the end all be all super tool that AI tech bros overhype to death. It’s somewhere in the middle with good usefulness and utility like any other tool as long as it’s used properly. Like any other tool.
That being said, even if it was just a spicy autocorrect, it’s the best damn autocorrect I’ve seen in my life and won’t screw around with my ducking cuss words like the dumb autocorrect systems
I’m pretty sure the autocorrect ducking with fowl language is because it has those words specifically marked not to come up in autocorrect, because kids do also use phones too and that would be enough to cause enough of a stink that no company wants to deal with it.
You can also edit the list and make it so it doesn’t do it anymore either…
Autocorrect is only as smart as the one using it.
Yeah, I changed my auto correct on my first smart phone like 15 years ago now and have propagated my user dictionary and rules forward automatically with every new phone since. I’ve made more edits on every single phone along the way, too. But never had to change the same thing twice.
Any time it does something annoying, actually take the 3 seconds to fix it…
It’s also incredibly ironic how they state
It’s somewhere in the middle with good usefulness and utility like any other tool as long as it’s used properly. Like any other tool.
Then complain about “dumb autocorrect”. Like any other tool, when wielded incorrectly, it’s not gonna work lol.
Good, I hope this is how the AI industry dies.
How would this cause it to die?
If something ceases to be profitable, it gets no attention from corporations.
Even something as simple as Deepseek replacing subscription services would tank these corporations who are banking on those fees.
This does the opposite of that. AI was already unprofitable; Deepseek’s massive efficiency improvement ought to improve profitability
Deepseek’s massive efficiency improvement ought to improve profitability
Depends on if you’re the AI provider, or the user.
For institutions that had to pay massive fees to use cloud-based AI services, now they might be able to pull it off in house or with far less costs involved. It will save money.
For those selling AI, it’ll get very competitive, and they can’t charge hundreds or thousands of dollars anymore. It will be less profitable or not at all.
AI was already unprofitable
And the silver lining was that all those American companies wasted hundreds of millions, if not, billions on developing the tech. Good for them for wasting all that money.
And good for China for making Deepseek open source as an added “fuck you” to AI capitalists.
For those selling AI, it’ll get very competitive, and they can’t charge hundreds or thousands of dollars anymore. It will be less profitable or not at all.
It is already not at all profitable. Competition will drive prices down, but probably not by as much as the efficiency increase. AI companies could go from having high prices and even higher costs to having low prices and even lower costs. Or they could go under, and be replaced by the competition.
It would kill off American ai industry because it’s a pyramid scheme of bullshit and money laundering
They think gpt is ai…lol
Is there evidence that DeepSeek is an OpenAI distillate other than OpenAI and Co’s protestations?
It’s literally impossible. I tried to explain it here: https://lemmy.world/comment/14763233
But the short version is OpenAI doesn’t even offer access to the data you need for a “distillation,” as the term is used in the LLM community.
Of course there’s some OpenAI data in the base model, but that’s partially because it’s splattered all over the internet now.
Thank you 🙏
Not distillate, they just trained on the outputs of openai
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 😂
Wherever you fall on the anti-AI spectrum, I thought after the past 2 decades of piracy we had come to the conclusion that you can’t “steal” data, copying != Stealing
I can’t recall a time when I downloaded an album, pretended I made it, and tried to sell access to it.
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That’s not how training works with LLMs at all
Uh, who is “we”? Piracy is still illegal and not everyone approves of it.
Maybe in the mainstream, but the open source, socialist and anarchist communities that populate lemmy tend to be very critical of ideas like intellectual property and copy right.
Oh, you’re one of those weirdos that report people shoplifting at Walmart and probably was also the “Teacher, your forgot our homework” kids
Uh, no, and what a wild assumption to make from me stating a fact, unless you know something that I don’t?
Uh, who is “we”? Piracy is still illegal and not everyone approves of it.
You made it pretty clear what your stance is, legality is not an indicator of morality or ethicality
I did not state my stance at all. You are assuming things my friend. I did not comment to weigh in with my opinion, I commented to challenge your assertion that “we” had decided something. Who is “we”?
You did, by starting off with “Who is we” you stated you’re breaking from the stance of my comment that you replied to and aligning yourself with the second part of your statement “Because it’s illegal and many don’t approve of it”
No, that’s not how that works. You still do not know my stance no matter how much you want to assume you do. Good day.
So that’s what they did with the data from TikTok
Man that would be as dumb as using Reddit or 4chan to train models.
Now wait just a minute…
Unless they just used Chinese TikTok, where the government enforces algorithmic preference for educational content.
Unless, maybe, that’s why it’s better?
Hahahahaha
Wow, look at the size of the tear this brings to my eye.
