• @Xanthobilly@lemmy.world
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    1124 months ago

    I think I figured out one reason Trump is going after Greenland. It looks huge on a Mercator Projection map even though it isn’t that large.

    • @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
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      54 months ago

      Look at it, it’s almost as bit as Africa! We haven’t found who is the president of Africa, so we had to make do with Greenland though.

    • @humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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      34 months ago

      There is one and only one reason Trump/US wants Greenland. With US out of NATO, it is a point closer to Europe to threaten Europe. Every other explanation is a disgusting lie, and of zero value to US.

      • @masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        24 months ago

        With US out of NATO, it is a point closer to Europe to threaten Europe.

        The US has Britain, which is essentially a US client state these days.

        • @humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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          14 months ago

          UK is indeed “close” to US. Unequal relationship where US keeps dangling free trade deal, but never delivers, no matter how many pipelines Liz Truss helps blow up. It is more of a close political relationship, rather than UK people desperate to follow every war. Musk threatening to liberate UK from liberals they voted for last, is a strain on public opinion. US using Greenland to threaten EU would lose US’s shine as a beacon of freedom, as perhaps tariffs on Canada, to extort its sovereignty, do. UK would see alliance with US much as Canada realizes.

      • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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        24 months ago

        It wouldn’t be very strategically important to the US on its own, but it currently is strategically important to NATO and harmful to Russia.

        Getting NATO out of Greenland is Putin’s order.

        • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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          24 months ago

          BlueAnon conspiracy theorists continue to only be able to respond to bad things Americans do by saying “this is secretly the work of a foreigner”

          • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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            04 months ago

            Read the latest comment from that guy down the thread when the mask falls completely off. It’s a real piece of work, calling Ukrainians vermin and Georgians pig-fuckers.

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              K, don’t care. It doesn’t change the fact that BlueAnon trying to attribute every bad thing America does to a secret plot by an even foreigner is pure jingoistic American Exceptionalism.

              Edit: I also did read his comment, and no, he did not say that.

              • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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                04 months ago

                Directly from the comment I’m addressing:

                Georgia, though not anywhere close to Ukrainian nazi vermin, was preventing regions seeking autonomy that needed Russian assistance. Still, pig fuckers aspiring to NATO government…"

                • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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                  14 months ago

                  So are you consciously choosing to misrepresent what they said, or is your reading comprehension really just that terrible? I’m guessing the first.

        • @humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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          14 months ago

          Absolutely absurdity that has to stop. Greenland is far away from Russia. Fine, some possible ICBM missile trajectories go over Greenland, but NATO is not going to stop US from putting missile shield or offensive nukes in Greenland, as long as it stays under NATO oversight. The Putin Derangement Syndrome that extends to explaining all Trump actions as gifts to Russia needs to stop being said out loud. Pure CIA disinformation to somehow brainwash Europe into accepting this.

          • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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            24 months ago

            It’s about Naval access to the Atlantic. The Russian Navy has to go between Greenland and Norway. With NATO controlling both sides, they don’t have a route to the Atlantic through friendly waters.

            • @humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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              14 months ago

              There are international waters between Iceland and UK. When US is part of NATO, with as a matter of fact, dictatorial control over NATO, ownership of Greenland doesn’t matter. It is only a severance of US/NATO alliance that makes Greenland matter.

              • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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                14 months ago

                And Trump has also indicated we’re leaving NATO.

                So having Greenland as part of NATO independent of the US important. If Trump were to take Greenland, he could allow Russian Naval activity in Greenland’s territorial waters.

                • @humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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                  Need to stop with any fantasies that US needs Greenland in order to gift Russia anything whatsoever. Russia has access to both oceans and does not need to go anywhere near Greenland to even ship to US or Canada, much less Europe. It does not care about any resources in Greenland because the closest consumer is eastern Canada and US.

                  Yes Trump wants to leave NATO. If Greenland stays part of Denmark/NATO then that can threaten US.

      • I always understood it as trump wanting the natural resources that Greenland has, along with it being positioned in a future ultra strategic location for arctic trade. like if the polar ice caps melt in the summer then countries close to the north pole will be able to send more ships easily, making any land around chokepoints in this trade more valuable - like Greenland

        not saying I like any of this stuff, but this is what I’ve heard

        • @humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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          Every piece of land can be useful. US’s current friendship with/lordship over NATO would get any project it wants done, and allow any shipments/trade routes to/from America. Project value is overblown due to high development costs and distance to markets.

          The reason you will hear economics and defense from enemies motives, is that is the sweetest sounding lie. It would increase the purchase price if Denmark citizens knew that Denmark government and its king are selling to US to improve its capabilities to murder all Danes.

      • @merc@sh.itjust.works
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        04 months ago

        There is one and only one reason Trump/US wants Greenland.

        There’s more than one. To me, the most plausible one is that Putin has played on his insecurities. He probably told Trump that a president / king / emperor is remembered when they expand their territory, otherwise they’re forgotten. So, off Trump goes, trying to cement his legacy as a great president by expanding US territory. By doing that, he plays right into Putin’s hands by destabilizing the world.

        • @humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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          14 months ago

          Trump is evil. Overthinking his motivations for evil to conform to your previous worldview harms you. America is “greater” with greater threat it can impose on Europe.

          • @merc@sh.itjust.works
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            24 months ago

            “Evil” people have motivations too. There’s no overthinking needed. He’s frequently played by Putin, and this makes the most sense.

    • Arthur BesseM
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      24 months ago

      It looks huge on a Mercator Projection map even though it isn’t that large.

      In the Mercator projection it appears to have about the same area as Africa, while in reality it is about a 14th of it. But, I wouldn’t say that “isn’t that large”: if Greenland was independent it would be (and Denmark is, because of it) the 12th largest country in the world.

  • davel [he/him]
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    384 months ago

    With Tump back in the office, soon enough they’ll be auctioning off federal lands and the postal service. Privatization is back on the menu.

    • stochastictrebuchet
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      294 months ago

      To the extent that the billboard never existed while the image implies it did – sure.

      I love the term ‘slop’. It’s one of my favorite new words along with ‘nontent’.

      But this, to me, isn’t that. I think of slop as ‘unrequested, unconvincing, lazy, and lifeless’. In short, ineffective and unwelcome.

      I feel like this meme gets the message across. It’s not great, but it’s not terrible. The AI tells are subtle enough: the multi lane pileup in the background and some poor small size text rendering.

      Not sure why I felt the need to write this. Guess I’m of the opinion that just because something is AI-generated doesn’t mean it should be discounted immediately, unless it really feels like zero effort went into it. Have a nice day!

      • @Noobnarski@lemmy.world
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        124 months ago

        Yeah, I feel like there isn’t much of a difference between taking an existing picture and editing the text into it or using AI to generate a picture and editing the text into it.

        Because I think the text looks way too good to be done by AI.

        • @dkt@lemmy.ml
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          54 months ago

          I’m fairly certain the text is AI generated too, just because of the questionable “creative” decisions that I don’t think a human would make (why does some of the text have overlines? why is only the Canada line red? why are all the lines jarringly different font sizes?)

          plus, now that I zoom in, one of the colons has different sizes for the top and bottom dots. I guess GANs can just do text now

  • Lovable Sidekick
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    4 months ago

    As usual we’ve found an engaging distraction to play whack-a-mole with for a while. When we get bored with bashing Elon Musk we’ll find another one, never addressing the core problem of how to take down the oligarchy. Because that will take methodical work and a huge amount of diligent research and objective thinking - assuming anybody ever gets around to doing it at all. Most of us just entertain ourselves with angry memes, created by the few people with enough motivation to do even that much. This is why aristocracy systems can keep perpetuating themselves - they rely on human inertia - most people prioritize entertainment over doing anything substantial. Bottom line, that’s the real reason things are the way they are.

    • @CuffsOffWilly@lemmy.ml
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      84 months ago

      Donald Trump has offered to purchase Greenland. He wants to take the Panama Canal by brute force and keeps suggesting that Canada should become a State in order to avoid his oncoming tariffs. Meanwhile, Musk ‘donated’ about 250,000,000 USD to Trumps election campaign helping ensure he won and now we are all watching the US become an oligarchy. (Effectively Trump is owned by Musk).

      • @merc@sh.itjust.works
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        Donald Trump has offered to purchase Greenland.

        No, Trump has been saying, in a threatening way, that Greenland is going to be part of the United States. He hasn’t suggested buying it, but he hasn’t ruled out taking it with military force.

        Effectively Trump is owned by Musk

        No. Musk bought a little influence and so far hasn’t pissed Trump off enough that he’s been cut off. But, it’s just a matter of time.

    • @I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
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      People sometimes come up with things they think are clever, but don’t have the time, money, or energy to present them in a meaningful way, so they instead make a shitty AI image of a billboard to get more attention than their words would otherwise.

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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    84 months ago

    Ah yes, because the US has a history of just accepting no for an answer and absolutely does not use coercion and violence to get the desired outcome.