most of that ‘hundreds of billions’ isn’t going to go towards the tech or infrastructure, it’s gonna go to people. a very small number of specific individuals.
Well, I suspect that most of the money will be used to acquire or costume natural resources, like water and power.
Individuals become enriched because their share holdings are worth more.
Guys listen up, every deepseek model comes with a dedicated chinese spy, who will log all your data and send it back to CCP who will use it to plot the destruction of the western civilization.
Instead we should use Freedom© models from OpenAI (side note if deepseek is so “open” how come they don’t have open in their name huh?) even if OpenAI don’t show their reasoning, they only do this cuz they want to protect us and they stand for our values.
They cost 100x more only because they are fighting for our Freedom and Freedom doesn’t come cheap, Freedom doesn’t have a price, Freedom requires our sacrifice.
use it to plot the destruction of the western civilization
Peaks around at the state of Western Civilization
Boots up another copy of DeepSeek
First paragraph is something I believe some people will say unironically.
Well, that first paragraph is likely to be unironically very close to the truth.
Freedom costs a buck oh five.
Please!!! Come and take your money!
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every deepseek model comes with a dedicated chinese spy, who will log all your data and send it back to CCP who will use it to plot the destruction of the western civilization
there’s no need, western civilization is collapsing by itself
The US is getting owned by China left and right, but sure lets focus on abusing minorities, women, LGBTQ+, and the poor instead of investing on actually making America great. Whatever.
Maybe they try to imitate china on those topics?
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored [gay, trans, Hispanic, etc ] man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
LBJ
Yeah obviously we’ve completely lost the plot a long time ago. Nobody even remembers when tech was bands of ragtag nerds making something out of nothing. Now they are the rich whose only purpose to is extract more wealth. Tech what? Who even knows anymore.
That includes the average tech workers. If that angers you then you’re lost too.
Nobody has noticed that there’s more bragging about compensation than accomplishments. It used to be the other way around. Nerds eagerly showing off to anyone who will listen about whatever thing they cooked up. It’s been this way for the past long time long before this LLM AI era.
Yeah, give me a /technology/ sub that speaks about technology (have you heard about the esp-8266? Did you know a A4988 can steer a NEMA from a Raspberry pi? And even The 6 gen SSD can move X GB/s, what is the fastest quad core under 100$?) and not about funding and drama.
Or am I out of touch with reality :-) ?
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It’s because this wave of tech overlords rode in on the coattails of the actual smart group. No one in this new group has actual built/coded/designed anything good. Everything they actual get involved with is garbage. Musk Cyber truck and Zuck metaverse as two examples. Bezos isn’t even the CEO of Amazon anymore, and he had pretty much be letting Andy Jassy run AWS/Amazon for close to 2 decades anyway.
“Necessity is the mother of invention.”
What you’re likely seeing here is innovation similar to the early tech sector. The hardware limitation (no Nvidia chips) means different (usually more complex) solutions are needed.
These solutions usually require a deep understanding of a specific area of mathematics, and expertise in coding. The person making it normally has to be heavily invested, since it still eats a lot of hours.
I often joke, the mathematician who finds a faster algorithm for matrix operations is sitting on a billion dollar idea.
And that mathematician won’t see the profits for that faster algorithm and you will never hear their name - shits been happening in tech for decades
As a mathematician who has worked in tech, this I am very much aware of XD
Again, this is all fucking stupid. China is giving this shit away for free to absolutely own the US for spending money on stupid fucking things like this.
Its good for the consumer. If companies like deepseek weren’t just tossing them out there for anyone to use, Microsoft and Google would currently have a monopoly and it would all be subscription type services.
It also greatly reduces whatever chance the copyright shills have of legislating against it.
It’s not good consumers at all, at least no explicitly. There are already open and free LLM models out there anyone can use that are just as good as OpenAI, for example.
What this is: a pretty simple deathblow to completely collapse the bullshit AI bubble in the US that was created by a bunch of wealthy idiots trying to fleece people out of money. Plain and simple.
While I’m happy that this pretty much destroys the business of OpenAI and the others, this bullshit funding by executive order is a bailout for those people, right out in the open. It’s a classic Trump scam. Nobody will ever see where the money is going, and it’s taxpayer dollars going right back into the banks of millionaires billionaires who were about lose the their asses for investing in this stupid shit in the first place.
I don’t really follow. Open source is still a net benefit regardless of the goverments investment in closed source, especially for the consumer.
I agree it’s highly likely there’s a scam going on but healthy competition will probably force them to actually use some of the fund. If they had a monopoly, it would be easier to give us a minimal viable product and call it a sound investment. They can’t be too blatant about it after all.
I mean Meta opened up Llama for free a while ago. But at the end of the day, the AI models posed to actually impact things are those integrated or integrateable into workflows, and those are all still more or less locked down.
We’re Fiscally RESPOSIBLE!
The Chinese model has chain of thought that u can see. The model when asked to talk about chinas atrocities will go through a chain of though process outlining all the atrocities then conclude its not allowed to tell u. Cool technology tho I’m just waiting for a dolphin fine tuning.
If you run it locally, there’s no filtering on the outputs. I asked it what happened in 1989 and it jumped straight into explaining the Tiananmen Square Massacre.
I’ve been playing around with the offline version of the model. It’s interesting, but I think we’ll have to wait for people to tinker with the open source base for awhile before we get something really great.
Yeah all the info is there and something switches it over to the generic response.
So fucked.
I’m using the 8b model and it’s having no problem telling me about China’s atrocities.
well I mean the USA’s president is a scammer so I am not surprised he is involved in stuff where scammers are abundant nowadays like crypto and AI
China has a huge advantage in AI models because of how lax they are on intellectual property rights. US companies are fighting over API licensing costs, while china is just going to scrape everything and use it for free.
The US has a lead now, but I don’t think they can maintain it without giving up on ethical training. Then again it may not matter if the US models are ethical if everyone will eventually just uses the superior unethically trained chinese models instead.
The US companies already scraped the data while they could. If anything, data scraping is far far more difficult now for everyone due to technical reasons.
Most of the new models are trained on synthetic data or higher quality of data or with RLHF. The reason deepseek is able to perform is likely because LLMs are very very new things, there are many low hanging fruits. Its no longer just about the data we already hit that limit for quite some time.
“Earlier this week, DeepSeek unveiled its R1 model, which, the startup claims, meets, if not exceeds, performance from OpenAI’s o1 model released last year. (o1 is designed to tackle reasoning and math problems.)” — Oh, so China built their for math and we built ours for garbage. Interesting approach.
Building garbage and convincing people it is absolutely necessary to pay someone for it is the American way.
Almost as if one culture values education and actual problem solving while the other values spectical and sleight of hand.
Deepseek api is down today - probably a result of their viral success recently…
Of course it’s faster & cheaper when it’s being censored & can’t access half of human history because the fucking ccp finds it offensive.
As opposed to reddit censoring Israel genociding Palestine and Luigi ?
Reddit is total trash too.
The model itself is probably not censored. The censorship comes on top. Preliminary tests already show how this can be circumvented.
It kinda sucks it is very repetitive if you use it to craft a story
This is going to sound wild, but why not use your brain for creativity, and use the the machine for crunching numbers?
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