• spirinolas
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    As an European it’s pretty clear now that the US is our enemy. This is just the start. We really need to put our military in order and prepare for the inevitable attack.

    • @InFerNo@lemmy.ml
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      244 months ago

      It’s impossible to catch up to the US war machine in 4 years only. We can only start the process, but I also doubt the US would sit by idly and let us become too powerful.

      • spirinolas
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        234 months ago

        We don’t really need the power to be able to attack the US. Just enough to be able to defend ourselves and that is far from impossible even in 4 years.

    • @Wogi@lemmy.world
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      114 months ago

      Don’t worry. The US may have the most experienced, well funded, and outfitted military on the planet, but the bafoons at the top keep getting in the way of the military executing a war the way it wants to.

      See: Iraq 2, WMD boogaloo, or the cult classic Vietnam: Congress goes to war.

      • @AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
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        You really aren’t even joking at all. This is what happens when Congress gets out of the way of the military.

        https://youtu.be/rD2C1H-dzzI

        Dude has a channel dedicated to telling the unbelievable stories of what our soldiers have done when the leash comes off.

        Warning: dude is a conservative, so his takes on socialism and communism are what you’d expect

        • @Wogi@lemmy.world
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          104 months ago

          I wasn’t kidding in the slightest. If the DoD had executed the second Iraq invasion it would have taken a few days. But Rumsfeld and his croneys insisted on it being done their way, and they didn’t know shit about fuck when it came to warfare. (Note: this may have been because Rumsfeld was lying and committing crimes that, had the military done things the way they wanted, would have been exposed.)

    • Hanrahan
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      84 months ago

      As an Australian I wish we’d negotiate to join the EU. Philosophically we have more in common with the EU then America and together is better.

      But we cant even join with New Zealand and od not ne suporsed if the EU didnt want us, I’d not want us, though we do all seem to mostly hate immigrants so we have that in common :(

      • @InvisibleShoe@lemmy.world
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        64 months ago

        Our previous governments have tied us to the US so tightly that we may as well be a US vassal state. Whatever America’s foreign policy is, is Australia’s policy. Our military is dependent on the US for its equipment.

        It would be great to have more ties to the EU and SE Asian counties but thats unlikely to happen unfortunately.

      • @ne0n@lemmy.world
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        34 months ago

        Side note, New Zealand can however decide to join us. The Australian constitution has a provision that a successful referendum in New Zealand admits them to the Federation.

        Given the All Blacks record however this is unlikely.

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    574 months ago

    I can’t wait for the US to enter the “find out” phase. It will take some time, sure, but heh, hubris always invites nemesis.

    • @Ulvain@sh.itjust.works
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      404 months ago

      Yeah… Some country’s “find out” phase in history occurred only after unspeakable horrors were committed and the country was crushed jnto submission by an international coalition. So… Idk

      • jrs100000
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        254 months ago

        Yea I dont think anyone is going to enjoy the “find out” phase of this one. Maybe Putin, if he lives that long.

      • @jol@discuss.tchncs.de
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        54 months ago

        The find out phase also might mean come countries with equally unhinged leaders feel emboldened to attack others, as countries start divesting from their US relations.

      • acargitz
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        104 months ago

        I’m more thinking in terms of: if you turn your back on your friends, they will turn their backs to you. Specifically: NATO article 5 has been invoked only once in NATO’s history, after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001. And we were there for you, no questions asked. Now your country is threatening a NATO ally. Tread carefully.

        • @LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world
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          34 months ago

          I mean, I have no say in what my country actually does. I highly disapprove of it all, in fact. But I would hope that if the rest of the world kicked in our door to stop our shit, that regular citizens like me wouldn’t be in danger of being shot or whatever. I just wanna live my life, man.

          • @Someone@lemmy.ca
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            44 months ago

            You have a lot more say in what your country does than any of us being threatened do…

              • @Someone@lemmy.ca
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                24 months ago

                I don’t have answers, sorry. Maybe just remind others who can vote that they need to and that any pain they feel is solely a result of that dumbass being elected, no matter who he tries to blame.

  • @WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world
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    554 months ago

    Summary:

    In a recent 45-minute phone call, U.S. President Donald Trump reiterated his demand for the United States to gain control over Greenland, an autonomous Danish territory. Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen firmly responded that Greenland is not for sale. According to European officials, the conversation was aggressive, with Trump threatening punitive tariffs against Denmark if it refused to relinquish control of Greenland. Frederiksen proposed enhanced cooperation on military bases and mineral exploitation in Greenland, but Trump dismissed these offers, insisting on full U.S. control. This development has heightened concerns in Europe about strained transatlantic relations, especially following Trump’s recent threats of heavy tariffs on the EU and demands for increased defense spending from NATO allies.

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        Why is Denmark even offering anything at all

        As others have pointed out, the US play here is likely to be stopping payments for the current US military based in Greenland but not leaving, testing its limits (operating outside of the designated areas), and generally just begging for a response. At this point the Danish (and the EU generally) will have to choose - if they do nothing then it’ll encourage more of this BS in Greenland and elsewhere. If they respond with any force it’ll be what Trump wants. He’ll use it as pretense for…whatever he wants to do.

        This behaviour will make it far less likely that all of the US international partners will renew military base leases or sign new ones, and long term it will diminish American military power globally, but nobody in MAGA let alone Trump are really thinking beyond the immediate anyways.

        So the answer your question, the Danes are trying to avoid all of that BS.

  • @OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca
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    544 months ago

    I love that the map in the article only labels a few locations, but one of them is the Gulf of Mexico.

    Nice subtle dig at the man-baby.

  • ssillyssadass
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    374 months ago

    The US will be spending the next several decades building their reputation back up.

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      Uh… I think it’s never coming back.

      We had our chance to course correct, and didn’t. And I suspect dems are either going to learn nothing and flop the next election, literally get suppressed by Trump, or get their own version of a “liberal Trump.”

      Our social media is only going to get more toxic now, and it’s already dominating public discourse.

      I dunno where you live, friend, but do not assume the US is digging its way out of this hole :(

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        Were you making the assumption that the US had a good reputation before that ?

        Half of the world hated it outright and the other half was mostly just playing along because of its economic or military power and propensity to behave like a bully.

        The only difference is that Trump is too stupid to do it quietly.

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      No way that is ever happening. We are a dying empire, rotting from the inside out. Because of a massive amount of inertia, the decline is really only starting to become obvious widely, but we are well into the phase where the ruling class has given up and is just looting the carcass before it hits the ground. They have succeeded in distracting the general public from the dire circumstances for a long time, but things are so far gone at this point, that won’t really be necessary much longer. As we proceed to give up on democracy, the efficacy of political influence withers away. The real danger for the world is that we have a massive military infrastructure ready to lash out in increasingly desperate spasms as the organism desperately tries to prolong agency. It is past time for the world community to organize against the threat the US poses to them. This is just getting started.

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        The US has military installations in 55 countries, I’m afraid that very soon, they’ll turn on the people they promised to “protect.” Total global shakedown. Just like the American oligarchy will have no qualms about further dismantling public infrastructure and driving wages and living conditions of their own populace down into bare survival mode if it means they can become trillionaires. Plus, poor and desperate people make good soldiers.

      • @slickgoat@lemmy.world
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        All great empires go through to decline, the fascinating thing about the US is that it happened so quickly.

        • @OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca
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          Not really. Usually the decline starts out slowly, but once it reaches a certain point it finishes collapsing very quickly.

    • @thejml@lemm.ee
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      324 months ago

      Even if sanity is restored next election cycle, I think at this point no one will ever trust us again knowing that in 4 years there’s a huge chance all hell will break loose again.

    • @Carmakazi@lemmy.world
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      The US simply will not survive in its current form for another 20 or 30 years. Whether by slow, festering rot or violent implosion.

    • @Gsus4@mander.xyzOP
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      144 months ago

      Yea, one trump salute election is bad, but two shows that it was not a fluke :/

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      The US will be spending the next several decades building their reputation back up antagonizing the rest of the world hard for even the tiniest short-term gains of its ruling class, kowtowing only to China.

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      Until the next insurrectionist fascist rapist turns up. They seem to like them over, say, having to make difficult choices over there. Except that the choice wasn’t even that difficult to begin with.

    • @nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca
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      54 months ago

      The US is never more than 4 years away from electing a lunatic. Soft power is not really a possibility anymore.

  • @btaf45@lemmy.world
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    I don’t know why the Danish PM would waste his time even talking to Traitorapist Trump. The whole world knows Trump is a notorious liar.

      • @Soulg@sh.itjust.works
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        Probably just didn’t know and the majority of heads of state are men so it’s not an unfair assumption. I certainly didn’t know she was a woman and I wouldn’t have looked it up to get the right pronouns in a post on here.

  • @febra@lemmy.world
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    144 months ago

    Hope the US empire goes crumbling down now that the fascist wanna be dictator is in power.

  • Vaggumon
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    134 months ago

    I would have hung up on the dirt bag. FDJT and every single one of his mindless sheep.

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      Better: just tell him greenland is full of spanish-speaking mexicans, it’s the only place he hasn’t talked about annexing.

      If that doesn’t work, Greenland could always take all the undocumented immigrants the US deports and become a booming nordic economy that would be a pain to invade. And imagine the irony.

      • spirinolas
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        44 months ago

        If the US takes over Greenland, whatever the means, there’s no way that small population stays. Deportation or gentrification they will be kicked out and replaced by Americans.

  • @DicJacobus@lemmy.world
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    At what point is someone going to tell Donald that the end result of pushing and pushing on this narrative to the point of realization… Is going to result in Article 5 being activated, Europe and NATO formally going to war against the US, and the US tearing itself apart as factions decide to move to the Ammo box after the soap, ballot and jury boxes failed.

    This is absolutely a red line. and it will cause a civil war. as well as the total destruction of the world order. Xi and Putin may end up getting so erect that they die of heart attacks.