cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24607393
credit for this post to :
@denimaww@lemmy.world
The US is actually going to implement a nationwide abortion ban and the measures for how it’s going to be handled are already in the works. This bill, which I link to here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/7/text , seems ok at first glance and only seems to want to implement nationwide healthcare centers for women. But when you actually look at what these Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers are and mean to offer, it becomes really clear what’s going on.
On the first page of the PDF or booklet that appear when you search for the healthcare centers it is clear that they are supported by pro-life organisations and hold extreme pro-life values. And when you read the (very short) booklet it states their values and services that are to be provided. Among them is a requirement for “Abortion Pill Reversal” and encouragement for “Sterilization Reversal”. The last page clearly states their values, where among them it states that:
“Abortion is not women’s healthcare, because of the damage it causes to women’s physical and emotional health and the destruction of unborn life, many of whom are females. Abortion is usually something women turn to when they feel they do not have another choice. This is a tragedy and the opposite of choice and empowerment.”
And it goes on to list similiar values. The bill to implement these healthcare centers states that:
"That the House of Representatives—
(1) expresses its support for women nationwide to have access to comprehensive, convenient, compassionate, life-affirming, high-quality health care; and
(2) recognizes the high standards established by Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers consortium as standards worth implementing nationwide."
This means that the values that these Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers have are to be set as standards nationwide.
A link to the PDF/booklet about the Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers (PWHC): https://nacn-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/PWHC-Booklet.pdf
Ok states rights crowd, fuck around and find out with my states constitutional protection of abortion.
I’m really curious how California will handle that one. I would expect Newsom to fall in line as part of the protected class, but he is a politician and cares about reelection.
If trump tries to fuck around with Canada my state will secede more than likely. Canada will retaliate by shutting off our electric which would be a death sentence in the winter.
That and the abortion rights and the fact we were previously an independent republic, it’s looking like we’re going back to being independent.
Wait, why would Canada retaliate against y’all for seceding?
If trump starts a trade war or physical war or even goes after Greenland I foresee Canada shutting off our electric (hydro Quebec) in retaliation. It would force our secession to save ourselves. Vermont routinely goes well below 0F in the winter for weeks on end, and hydro Quebec is where we get I believe a third of our energy. If not a third a very significant amount that we can’t go without.
I can also see them shutting off oil and gas pipelines to other states but that doesn’t affect vermont. But those states might also secede over it. Fuck with cold states energy infrastructure in winter and we won’t have a choice.
Also our constitution protects abortion, and I can see that also being a factor in us going back to being an independent republic or even joining Canada if they’ll take us. We have a substantial French Canadian population here.
I don’t think it would be like the civil war, most Americans couldn’t point to vermont on a map and were not economically important.
Ah gotcha, that makes sense now.
I lived in Vermont for year, and yeah those winters are no joke. But I could also see y’all telling the fed to go fuck themselves.
state laws, including their constitutions, mean zip when federal law or the nation’s constitution conflicts and takes precedence.
Not really true. States can’t infringe on rights granted by the constitution but they can add rights. See: infingement of 2A rights by states and legalized cannabis at the state level, respectively. Look at federal drinking age laws. States had lower ages until the feds pressured States by witholding interstate road funding…
Guess we’re seceding.
In this case there’s a Supreme Court decision that this issue should be left up to the states. Sure key they won’t reverse themselves so soon, right?
As if you’ll do anything. You’ll roll over like the rest of em.
As opposed to you?
Most heavily armed state in the country. Fuck around find out.
We were an independent republic before and we’ll become one again if we have to. Fuck the United States.
So what? Your freedoms have been steadily slipping away for decades. Your opportunity to stand up and DO something is quickly coming to an end. You’ve had plenty of time and opportunity but it’s just crickets.
No. When push comes to shove you’ll sit there quietly.
It might feel good to sit here and cosplay telling yourself you’re a big bad ass that will save us all. Yet you sit there instead.
I initially worked with the democrats believing they were genuine. They’re frauds. They’re a waste of time. All we have left is union organizing and violence.
All talk no game
What are you trying to accomplish by baselessly attacking people you don’t know over things you know nothing about? Even if you’re right, it doesn’t make you look any better. You just sound like an edgy teenager.
You don’t know me. You don’t think I’m organizing resistance on the ground? Fuck off. Fucking fed.
Another lemmy world lib for the block list.
You all voted for this shit.
If you stayed home then you voted for this shit.
I think you will be hard pressed to find Republicans on Lemmy. There might be some, but not that many.
And how many democrats stayed home on Election Day?
Trump bragged about Elon rigging the election for him.
How many actually did stay home?
Enough of them. Face it, too many people fell for “Giant douche vs. turd sandwich” shtick, and it was enough to cost Kamala. I was happy to vote for her regardless of whatever nutcase the RNC ran, but AOC is right: there is a lot of hypocrisy in the Democratic party—citing the rampant insider trading and acting like money is only corrupting Republicans—and that gets exploited very effectively to fuel the cynicism all across the left end of the spectrum.
Anyone who believes the election was rigged is stupid as fuck. So when he lost it was rigged. And now that he won, rigged? So it’s rigged no matter if he wins or loses?
Bro, just admit you got played like a fiddle. They convinced you to stay home and not vote because you fell for the bait like all the rest of the lemmings.
Interesting assumption to make based on my comment. Also an interesting belief to have that because Republicans, who are quite known for projection, spent four years crying wolf it means they can’t have committed fraud themselves.
I voted for Harris to try to prevent these horrors out of harm reduction.
But the Neoliberals haven’t given us anything to vote for for half a century.
Good cop neoliberals with affirmation ribbons/bad cop Fascists with scapegoats, both for human beings dying in the streets for the crime of no longer being able capitalist exploitation livestock in droves as a threat to laborers to produce for their shared donors.
A vote for democrats is a vote for quiet slaughter, a vote for Republicans is a vote for loud, braggadocious slaughter. We don’t get a vote for peace. We don’t get a vote on the economy. Only the social wedges that don’t meaningfully effect quarterly earnings expectations.
Luigi tried showing us who our shared enemy is, and it isn’t their revolving door middle managers in DC.
I drove to a friend to Kansas last year for an abortion. I still don’t know if it was mine. Either way if those services weren’t available then she would have suffered tremendously by having that baby. As badly as I wanted that baby to be mine it didn’t matter in the end because it’s her body not mine. It’s a simple as that and fuck anyone that wants to take those rights away
You did the right thing, I feel for you both.
You did the right thing.
Can’t have a child grow up in poor circumstances.
For anyone that needs this information, you can (currently) order abortion medicine online in any state. I did it today and it was stupid easy to do. I’m not pregnant, but I wanted to order some as a just-in-case for myself or others.
The Plan C website has a great list of websites you can order from if you’re not pregnant. It costs about $150 and some offer financial assistance if you need it. But please do it NOW.
I ordered one from Aid access and one from safe choice. Both asked a few questions that didn’t ask for personal information or ID. They mostly just need an email, address to send it, and a credit/debit card to pay.
Good luck out there everyone.
Edit: just to clarify I’m not talking about plan B. I’m talking about medication meant to induce an abortion at up to 13 weeks of gestation. mifepristone and misoprostol specifically.
Do you happen to know the shelf-life of the medicine? Thank you so much for that resource. Likewise, I don’t need it, but I’d like to be a help to others who may find themselves in a difficult situation.
fact sheet for Plan B One-Step says the medicine expires after four years
Interesting coincidence
Not an answer, but the Army found that pills (non liquid gel caps) were often stable for quite a long time with only minor efficacy loss.
Thank you - it’s something, and a good start!
According to multiple sites, both pills in the prescription have a 2 year shelf life if kept in a cool dry place.
Thank you for checking, much appreciated. I was going to start my search around it today if you didn’t have it, but I really appreciate you doing the research!
Costco pharmacy near me was selling levonorgestrel emergency contraceptive for $6/dose as of a couple weeks ago.
I’m a woman who does not have sex with men but I got myself plan b just in case of emergency like a rape.
I mean, if a nation wants to fight a big war within 15 years, first they need to grow soldiers, right?
if they ban abortion and then set up a pipeline from orphanages to army then you get a lot of jackboots in 15ish years
I don’t think the US flights ground wars. We’re more about drones now. I’m thinking this is cheap labor for the farms once we kick out the foreigners.
Every war has had boots on the ground. Drones don’t really change the need to occupy space.
And certainly not with 15 year old kids
“abortion pill reversal” sounded like bullshit to me, so I looked it up.
Here’s what ACOG has to say: Facts Are Important: Medication Abortion “Reversal” Is Not Supported by Science
if only the government had an ‘efficiency’ expert on staff… one would expect their evaluation of this proposal to be something like this:
we already have a long-time, trusted nationwide network of health care clinics… for women (and men)… that provides reproductive care (and more). absolutely no sense in reinventing the wheel, when this one has been going for 108 years. the easiest, cheapest, and most efficient thing to do would be to toss them some federal funds every year, let them provide the care that’s needed–where it’s needed, and stay the fuck out of the exam room and out of their way.
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credit for this post to : @denimaww@lemmy.world
Hi Denimaww,
i saw that you made the above post into the “politics” community which has rules preventing posting anything that is not based on a newspaper article. This must be why it was removed in that community and which is why i recuperated your post and gave you credit in this community here. Also, i see that you are new to Lemmy and i wish to welcome you here. This sites’ learning curve could be a bit steep. Please don’t hesitate to ask for advice.
Take care 😌
I see, thank you for taking the time to explain this to me! Do you know a community where I could post this instead? Like you said, I am new to Lemmy and I really wanted to spread awareness about this. Thanks in advance!!
i say this is your post : i gave you credit in the header and i invite you to take ownership by responding, at your convenience, to any top comment in this post. For each, if anyone doubt that you have ownership, i would come up with a comment to tell them that you are really the OP (original poster). To achieve this, you can call me (or any users) to a thread of comments by puting my username inside a comment ( … @A_A@lemmy.world … )
You wanted to spread awareness and your post here got 300 upvotes until now. This is excellent in term of Lemmy viewership. You also got plenty of comments : if you want to go through those, i believe you got beautiful impact. (do not give too much credit to negative comments as there always be those for anyone on any subjects)
The choice of a community for posting is an art that one develops by using Lemmy. But, a first step is to read (in one community that you target) what are its rules for posting in there.
Currently this abortion info/help community seems defunct, but it might be worth trying to revive in some manner. I don’t have time right this moment, but it’s something I’ll look into helping with in the near future (like next week):
https://lemmy.ml/c/auntienetwork
(I’m not sure how linking on Lemmy works yet, so hopefully that comes through ok.)
Please do create an appropriate Community for this … but preferably, not into that (—(.)ml) instance, since they have bad ways of deleting any communities that doesn’t fit some of their biased ideologies.
P.S. : link like so : !ukraine@sopuli.xyz
I’m on .world myself, do you think that would be ok, or is another better? I just remembered being part of it on Reddit, and figured I’d see if it made it over here.
AuntieNetwork @lemmy.world
… the best ♀️😁 !Thanks for your guidance, I’ll get to it as soon as I can, but if someone else can do it sooner, even better!
This is not hippocratic or woman centred and you said tremendous twice within ten words you crazy sods.
They meant hypocritical
Well…now guys, we must not have sex with women. We should have clubs where we help each other thru the power of masturbation.
We’re doing this for you women! And we’re chopping our balls off…America’s got talent never heard notes as high as we’ll have in the next few years!
It’s a Castrati revival!
That’s it! In getting sterilized.
The booklet has the “encouraged” procedures section where they state “sterilization reversal” which is just wild
Soon, a sterile breeding age person will be labelled an unproductive useless eater and the department of efficiency will remove you from the payroll of life.
Admittedly didn’t read the whole thing but this looks like they want to pay for pro-life centers everywhere. I don’t see anything about restricting care, except for scamming people into walking into a pro-life center pretending to be a medical center.
Even today’s partisan court has to balk at government spending money on something that appears to be religion based, right? Right?
Remember, it’s not pro-life, it’s anti-choice.
We need a better term, since it’s not entirely anti-choice. It’s “your body, my choice”
how about “stupidity” ?
Aye, that works
Funny how a few months ago it was all about letting States decide…
They only care about state’s rights, when they’re not in power…
People are being gaslit.
The rich just want more people as soldiers or workforce. Having a larger population is not a good thing for the poor people. Smaller workforce means higher wages as per the free market (supply - demand).
And the worst part is, instead of seeing this, people jump to conclude “no, we just need to distribute the resources differently”, as if that’s gonna happen. It’s free labor market all the way, even if that means people living in poverty.
They’re going to enslave most of us, just watch.
or workforce.
Not even.
They’re constantly trying to find ways to reduce staff to the absolute minimum.
