My stubborn position is that all fruits are vegetables.
Anything that comes from a plant (vegetation) is a vegetable.
EDIT: Reading up on the case, they apparently didn’t treat fruits and vegetables as disjoint sets but rather with fruits as a subset of vegetables. So far, so good…
HOWEVER, they also apparently ruled that tomatoes don’t count as a fruit because they aren’t eaten for dessert…
Wow… just… wow.
Fruit is a scientific term. Vegetable is a culinary term.
Fruit is also a culinary term that is not identical to its meaning as a scientific term
That’s the one the SCOTUS used.
There we go. A tomato can be a fruit and not a fruit at the same time.
As a former worker at a steel plant, I concur.
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Care to explain to this poor guy?
Anything that comes from a plant is a vegetable
former worker at a steel plant concurs
Implying that steel workers are brainless
Thank you kind human
Botanically is there such thing as a “vegetable”?
VIC?!
“Fruit” within culinary is usually applied to “sweeter” forms of fruits, and the more savory forms usually get called “vegetable” instead regardless of being botanically called fruits or not.
It doesn’t matter why are you roleplaying as a botanist if you don’t see that culinary definitions and scientific classification are two separate things. One is really useless for the average person and the other is probably also a foreign concept to everyone having quirky discussions about whether cakes are hotdogs or smoothies, because they are the type of people to tweet a 60 page essay about why expecting neurodivergents people to cook their own meal should be considered a hate crime.
Tomatoes don’t belong in a fruit salad
What about cherry tomatoes or grape tomatoes?
grape tomatoes
Do they make wine out of them?
I’m sure someone out there did.
whether or not cakes are hotdogs or smoothies,
Depends on the preparation, if blended with juice or yogurt: smoothie.
Yogurt would make it a lassi
Did you just assume its gender? It could be a laddie for all you know!
Because Fruits were taxed higher than vegetables, so importers started listing them as a vegetable.
It’s tax dodges all the way down.
Stupid meme. Many other countries also classify tomatoes in with vegetables for various commerce regulation and taxation purposes. That case was just capitalists trying to get out of paying tariffs by nitpicking the definition of a tomato
I hate these things where people twist reality just so they can make a cute “Americans are so dumb” meme. If you want to bash the US, there are plenty of relevant topics to choose from for criticism. Better yet, read a book once in a while instead of just scrolling the internet and grabbing random shit that’s gone viral.
And BTW, what’s a fruit or vegetable is not some objective Sacred Truth that science “discovered”, it’s that science came up with a system of categorizing plants that people deemed to be useful for the study of Botany, just as legislators came up with a slightly different classification useful for taxation, and regular people also classify them in a way that’s useful for cooking purposes. This is not a situation where Science! is an almighty God. It’s just ways of sorting things. “Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.”
This made me chuckle more than it should have
And BTW, what’s a fruit or vegetable is not some objective Sacred Truth that science “discovered”, it’s that science came up with a system of categorizing plants that people deemed to be useful for the study of Botany,
It’s true that all biological classifications are just operational, they’re not some absolute natural truth or a fifth law of thermodynamics. However, the definition of “fruit” is also not some arbitrary malleable classification we randomly attach to plant anatomy based on how it looks. There are biological definitions that are indeed malleable in that way, this one isn’t.
Fruits are organs with a specific origin in the plant and with a very specific goal. Tomatoes are fruits, and there’s no system of definitions that could group them otherwise that wouldn’t either: contain contradictions or wrongful elements or be identical to the current definition of fruit. You could call them “blorgblurgs” but the elements in that group would be the same, because fruits are a specific part of a plant with actual reason behind the definition.
Like when the state of Indiana [attempted to change] the definition of pi
Almost changed the definition of pi. It passed the House, but a professor from Purdue happened to be in the Statehouse on unrelated business the day the Senate voted on it. He managed to convince enough Senators that it was a terrible idea and they absolutely roasted it on the floor.
The Wikipedia article on it is great. “Legislative History” is the interesting bit. My favorite part is this:
An assemblyman handed [Prof. Waldo] the bill, offering to introduce him to the genius who wrote it. He declined, saying that he already met as many crazy people as he cared to.
Very relatable
“(…) he already met as many crazy people as he cared to.”
My spirit animal.
Just a list of items we normally think of as veggies, but actually fruit: cucumbers, squash, peppers, eggplants, avocados, pumpkins.
Vegetable isn’t even a botanical definition.
They’re also a Native American food that was made famous by Italians, celebrated by the Spanish, honoured by the French, used by the English and turned into Ketchup by the Americans … another bit of multicultural history of America.
Ketchupbased BBQ sauce*
Ya skipped a level.
What’s the deal with the background? Screenshots aren’t what they used to be, back in my day the worst that could happen was for the image to turn into a pixelated mess after being re-uploaded 1000 times.
Now I sometimes see images getting tilted by 5%, random words crossed out in yellow, and whatever the fuck happened here.
Idk, I stole the meme from somewhere
Plus they make the national drink…ketchup.
So is ketchup technically a jam?
Yes according to the Dutch.
This leaves out the modern extension of this where pizza meets the requirements of a vegetable due to it containing 2 tablespoons of tomato paste as specified in the “Consolidated and Further Continuing Appropriations Act of 2012”, previously the “Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010”.
Thanks Obama
I cannot heart this enough.
Might have been more productive to let them pass it. Lesson learned kinda thing
