The is is interesting. I thought the US would be much higher. Though doesn’t surprise me to see china so high up
Survey was for antibiotics not steroids
Light blue is bang on in the middle so it’s still quite a lot.
“Bang on in the middle” of the legend, but not of the data. And below the middle of the legend, actually. The bottom half of the legend covers 0 - 50 while the top half covers 50 - 200+. The US is at 31 mg/kg as of 2020
Good point I feel like this graphic could use some improvements tbh 🧐
It’s perfect because it generated discussion!
31mg too much
It’s impossible to use 0 unless you just want to let animals die from and spread infections. We live in a world in which bacteria and animals have been in an evolutionary arms race for a billion years
I feel like we shouldn’t be eating meat if we have to jump through so much shit to “make it work”. Putting increasing your tolerance to antibiotics on the top of the cake and it’s a no go for health reasons alone.
But we don’t have to jump through so much shit to make it work. We use science to treat or eliminate health issues in animals that existed well before modern medicine, or even before domestication. Be clear I’m not talking about the horrors of factory farming, but about veterinary medicine. People suffered before modern medicine too, but we’ve reduced mortality by a ton
Antibiotics can be good, actually
31mg is weak for a grown adult human. That means the average shows widespread low-level use OR high volumes for very low numbers, which is how it’s supposed to be when a patient has poor circulation from a lack of motion.
This is an average across the entire industry, not an indication of the dosage given to a single animal. Some animals will be on none, and others will be on a clinically appropriate dose as necessary
If you constantly eat meat with antibiotics in you’re increasing your tolerance to antibiotics no matter the amount. So when you actually need antibiotics they’re going to do fuck all for you
I mean, we’re doing better than basically every other 1st world country, and those that are beating us don’t have big livestock industries.
Are Nordic countries invisible to you?
The U.S. has to pretend that they don’t exist because it would cause them to face a lot of big issues otherwise.
I thought the US would be way up there given the intensive livestock industry there. But I guess we all underestimated the pig industry in China. They have multi-storey slaughter houses for pigs over there!
Really, why?
Like why not process rural, it has to be cheaper to just use rural land and go horizontal than vertical.
We used to do vertical in Chicago. You drive the livestock to the top floor, butcher them there, then use gravity to move them around.
Do they get born on the first floor?
Hope you had a great christmas
My leek+mushroom stuffed seitan roast was delicious, antibiotic-free, and cruelty-free. So tyvm, I did.
How did it taste? Do you have a recipe I can follow? I don’t know hoe far a vegan ingredients shopping run will go where I live though.
The gluten doesn’t have a very strong flavour on its own (it basically tastes like unflavoured bread) but it picks up whatever you season it with very well. The recipe I make goes for a typical poultry style seasoning with nooch and veggie broth. The stuffing is very umami with a little brightness from the lemon. It’s very yummy.
Here’s the recipe I use for the roast:
https://www.theppk.com/2011/11/seitan-roast-stuffed-with-shiitakes-and-leeks/
And I make the gravy from this recipe:
https://www.rabbitandwolves.com/vegan-crispy-black-pepper-cauliflower-steaks/
(Which incidentally is also a very good vegan holiday recipe in its own right!)
You might have trouble finding vital wheat gluten. I’d recommend checking either health food or bulk stores, or just buying it online. Everything else should be pretty easily accessible.
While you can make the recipe with the wash-the-flour method from regular flour, it’s already a bit of a challenging recipe, and you have to tweak quite a few things to get the proper wet:dry ratio, so I wouldn’t recommend it, especially for your first try.
I normally also do a side of mashed potatoes, and then some other veg like carrots+parsnips, or Brussels sprouts.
If you get a lot of specialty items (like faux cheeses and meats) it won’t go far. If you shop like normal but just skip the animal products it’ll almost surely be cheaper than regular groceries. You can make your own seitan very easily, there are many YouTube videos showing you how. It’s just a simple dough that is washed and kneaded to develop the gluten. You can also make your own tofu, but tofu is dirt cheap unless you get fancy stuff so I recommend just buying it.
Going to have to try that.
Are the nordics low because of cleaner feed operations, or are the nordics zero because it’s been banned?
In Scandinavia they have a policy to minimize the use of antibiotics, even on people, to prevent antibiotic resistance.
Agriculture isn’t terribly industrialised in Sweden and Norway. So smaller farms means fewer animals get infected when something is going around. And fewer practises like weaning piglets early and giving them prophylactic antibiotics.
And the projection makes them look big on the map.
Easy to not use any when you can just freeze bacteria to death lol
how much antibiotics should i take if i go to china? im around 70 kilos
Depends, do you plan on being eaten?
Depends on how long you want to remain in Chinese prison
Wait, is this really true? I always assumed US was on the bad side of this trend
Americas is low because they are cheap bastards, not out of any concern for food quality or animal welfare.
Can someone explain the disparity between Australia’s and New Zealand’s use of antibiotics in meat?
In addition to what others said, they likely have different percentages of livestock. Beef vs. Dairy vs. Sheep, etc
I get the color coding, I don’t like it.
Aren’t colors fun
this should be adjusted for amount produced … in chile the antibiotic usage is high but we mostly consume meat from Argentina and Brasil
But it’s per kilogram of meat (produced).
Is this true? Every Chinese person I know says the US is more than China and it affects meat flavor
Might be true here I found this https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7766021/figure/antibiotics-09-00918-f001/
