• @Delphia@lemmy.world
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    645 months ago

    Unironically I think this is what drives a decent portion of transphobia.

    Im a straight dude and I think stockings, high heels, short skirts and boobs are just awesome but I’m also secure enough in my shit to say “That dude makes a pretty hot chick”. I also know that my wife doesnt dress like that because its a lot of work, she doesnt feel the need to. Its very much a “sometimes food” as cookie monster would say.

    So when knuckle dragging guys who havent seen their wife out of sweatpants and flipflops in 3 months see a dude who put more effort into their appearance in 1 day and they want to fuck that… They get mad.

    • @Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world
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      135 months ago

      Science Vs did an episode on the science behind gender and it blew my mind. How gender is determined biologically is far more nuanced than genitalia. It helped me realize that trans people truly are the sex they claim to be. They have different genitalia, but there are other biological factors at play and they are biologically whatever they say they are.

      It helped me understand that “that dude” isn’t a dude. That is a chick and she is beautiful.

      • @kerrypacker@lemmy.world
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        85 months ago

        Gender, like sexuality, is a spectrum and making it black and white is dumb. It’s all the colours of the spectrum that make life wonderful.

    • @Dasus@lemmy.world
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      95 months ago

      I almost agree with you comment, but I have to say I can not in good conscience pretend like I believe that Cookie Monster knows the concept of a “sometimes food”.

      • @EpeeGnome@lemm.ee
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        45 months ago

        I don’t see which food is being referred to as a “sometimes food” so I will just assume that Cookie Monster was referring to non-cookies when he said that.

        • @Dasus@lemmy.world
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          25 months ago

          For some reason, his general outlook and behaviour doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence that he takes care of his diet, even when it comes down to him theoretically having eaten something else. (Has he, ever? Like “lore-wise.” I don’t watch the Muppets, sorry.)

          • @Veneroso@lemmy.world
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            35 months ago

            Cookie monster lost his feet to diabetes.

            You’ve never seen his feet have you?

            I rest my case.

      • @captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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        255 months ago

        Some are some aren’t. It’s probably closest to the mid 20th century American concept of transvestite, which at the time encompassed everyone from transsexuals (at that time the medical definition of transsexual required what we would today describe as severe dysphoria and exclusive Heterosexuality) to the more modern definitions of trans people, both binary and nonbinary, as well as cisgender crossdressers of all varieties. Source

        • @Dasus@lemmy.world
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          55 months ago

          Transvestite prescriptively means a crossdresser, by the way. Literally, that is. "-vestire “to dress, to clothe” (from PIE *wes- (2) “to clothe,” extended form of root *eu- “to dress”).

          I’m not gonna argue over how the terms was used in mid 20th century America, I wouldn’t know. Just like etymology, don’t mind me.

          • @captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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            55 months ago

            Oh absolutely, and it meant that then because sexology was in the process of catching up with groups of people that medicine had recently gained the ability to make the differences between far more significant. They were also very prone to medical gatekeeping and treating transition as the absolute last resort for those unable to live a normal life as their assigned gender

    • GHiLA
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      115 months ago

      Wait a minute.

      Checks the Tate guide to Masculine Success

      yes

  • Lovable Sidekick
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    5 months ago

    Is the “woke mind virus” a euphemism or do people believe there’s an actual virus? I could imagine something like that coming from people who make videos about chemtrails.

    • @normalexit@lemmy.world
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      75 months ago

      I’m sure to almost all, it is a euphemism. Although I’d also bet there are some people in Florida and Alabama who believe it is a literal virus that is spreading like wildfire through college campuses.

    • @Dasus@lemmy.world
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      55 months ago

      Is the “woke mind virus” a euphemism or do people believe there’s an actual virus?

      Do you think the people who use language like that understand what viruses actually are, besides “something infectious”?

      • Lovable Sidekick
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        45 months ago

        No, to most of them viruses and bacteria are all just “germs”. But considering how many people believe fluoride is for mind control I can easily imagine them believing the “Biden crime family” are literally spreading mind-control germs that turn people gay or atheist or make them love SoCiALiZm.

  • gon [he]
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    146 months ago

    This kind of thing terrifies me. I think there’s a solid chance that that particular tweet is a joke, but the idea that there are people out there honestly concerned with the “woke mind virus” and about how women are this and that is horrifying.

    Even more, the possibility that I’m just blind to my own insanity is what really fucks me up. What if they’re right and I’m crazy? Seeing so much insanity that you just have to wonder if your own sanity has been compromised.

    • @HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world
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      156 months ago

      What if they’re right and I’m crazy?

      If I ever have that thought, I remember I’m not the one who hates people for immutable traits, or punches down in the name of humour

    • @Sergio@slrpnk.net
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      65 months ago

      What if they’re right and I’m crazy?

      Keep asking yourself this. Try to honestly see things from their point of view. It makes you stronger. To paraphrase Sun Tzu,

      • if you only think through your own beliefs, you’ll have a 50-50 chance of success.
      • if you think through your own beliefs, AND understand your adversary’s point of view, you will always succeed.
      • if you do neither, you will always fail.
  • @PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world
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    I have been on the “Misogynist stay-at-home gamers who want ‘a girl they can game with’ really just want a trans BF, but they’re to transphobic to admit it to themselves” wave for a while now, and they just keep giving me more evidence.

  • @CrayonRosary@lemmy.world
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    They have their own mind virus which makes them think that meek, innocent, naive hyperfeminity is the only valid femininity. They watch anime[1] and terribly written women in film. Both of which infantilize women. And they watch women get dominated by men in porn.

    The concept of femininity in these boys’ heads is completely divorced from what it actually means to be a woman. To be a human being. They want all women to dress in school girl outfits, short skirts, or satin dresses. Women who should spend 100% of their time trying to please their husband, a word that historically means “a man who manages a property”. They see women as sexy property.

    As a bonus, they all want “trad wives” and yet they vote for politicians that make it impossible to survive on a single income unless they want to live in a trailer park.

    Thirteen anime fans couldn’t handle this comment.


    1. Anime fans, miss me with your examples of “badass” women in anime. They all still look like little girls 90% of the time. ↩︎

  • JackGreenEarth
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    Is this another term for trans women, or something different?

    Edit: thanks for everyone who’s educated me, this is really interesting!

    • @inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
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      In western trans culture, most trans women would consider being called a “ladyboy” or “shemale” an overly sexualized insult. It’s primarily used when referring to sex workers, not to someones identity. It’s similar to calling a random woman who has children a MILF. So don’t refer to someone as this unless that is a label they apply to themselves first.

      I’m not knowledgeable enough to truly make definitive statements about how the term is used in Thailand, but from what I understand it’s a rough/poor translation from “Kathoey” which is used for anyone outside of traditional gender roles meaning a more direct/correct translation would be non-binary or queer.

      On a related note, Femmeboy is a term used in the west, but that is specifically referring to a younger man/boy who is effeminate. It is specifically saying they are not trans, so could be anything from a femme gay boy to someone who enjoys crossdressing.

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          176 months ago

          Kathoey are definitely not androgynous. They are explicitly living as women would, and present very feminine as shown. To varying degrees of success in passing, but it isn’t an issue. Nobody tells them they can’t be kathoey. They just are.

          There is a lesser known opposite, Tom. As in, Tomboy. These are afab who essentially live as men. Less so than kathoey, I will say, presumably because society isn’t as ready for afab to play male roles. But they will wear short hair, dress masculine, and usually have relationships with with cis-women, known as "Dee (for “good (girl)” 🫤). When was there more than a decade ago at the start of social media really taking off, there was a high-society generational trend of cis-girls dating tomboys in their late teens, as a way to be safe from pregnancy/abuse while still being the cool girl who dates on Insta. You imagine this to be pretty sad at times for Toms who get abandoned as soon as said ciswomen are more stable in life.

          • @inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
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            -86 months ago

            They are explicitly living as women would, and present very feminine as shown

            Degendering, or refusing to gender a trans person by only using neutral language such as they/them is an incredibly rude thing to do. It’s the equivalent of two siblings going “I’m not touchingmisgendering you!”. Obviously in the course of conversation using they/them makes sense for everyone in certain sentences. But at a certain point it’s just dehumanizing. I’m not non-binary, I’m a woman.

            Next time your BF/GF is getting dressed up tell em how androgynous they are looking and see how well they take it…

            • The Octonaut
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              76 months ago

              I’m using the plural. Kathoey is both singular and plural in Thai. I would hope you’d also pick that up from “women”.

              I’m also being careful not to equate 1-1 the kathoey identity with the transwoman identity. They aren’t the same, though the global conversation I am sure will eventually bring them closer.