If anyone can find more pixels for me i would appreciate it.

Thanks y’all.

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    “y’all” fills a legitimately useful gap the English language has. Other languages have a word like this.

    Edit: also something cool I just found out, some languages have a way to disinguish “we” (you and I), and “we” (me and the rest of us, not you). It’s called clusivity and is missing from European languages. Many indigenous languages of the Americas and Oceania have this, as well as Vietnamese and northern dialects of Mandarin.

      • 🔍🦘🛎
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        Hear y’all hear y’all, Reggie King from o’er the holler brought pawpaw moonshine for the weddin’

    • Baron Von J
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      The worst is when a language formally has a disambiguating word but then speakers all just decide to not use it.

    • N-E-N
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      Any examples of an equivalent in other languages?

      I speak a small amount of French but can’t think of one

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        “Vous” is the first one that comes to mind in french. But since it is also a more formal (and/or “respectful”) version of “tu/toi”, it can both designate a group of people or a single person, depending on the context (just like “you” in English). Sometimes people will use “vous tous” (literally “you all”) to make this clear.

        It is a little better than the “you” situation in English since if you are speaking with someone that is not using the singular form of “vous” to speak about you (which is basically anyone you are familiar with unless they are your boss or In-laws and kind of oldschool), it is instantly clear what they mean at least.

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      English used to be like other European languages too. We had thou/thee for singular, and you/ye for plural, and for respectful singular. Eventually, people began using it as respectful singular for everyone, and so it just became singular and plural, eclipsing thou/thee. Around this time, the you/ye accusative/nominative distinction was also lost, so now we just have you.

      If you’re curious, the you/ye distinction worked like this: “you” was used for the subject (the doer) of the sentence, and “ye” was used for the object (the done to). you/ye are analogous to I/me.

      “You come with me.” (plural you)

      “I come with ye.” (plural ye)

      As a result of the loss of thou, we also lost the conjugation of verbs related to it, like “art” instead of “are”, and “-st” or “-est” for other verbs (“goest”, “thinkst”, etc). It used to be that “are” was only for plural pronouns, but now both “you” and “they” can be singular.

      And if you’re curious about what happened to “-eth”, evidence suggests this was for a long time a typographic feature, and it was pronounced “-s” as it is today. It was used exactly like “-s”. “He thinketh” would have been pronounced “he thinks”.

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    People where I am from call everyone “you guys” - men, women, trans, doesn’t matter, everyone is just “you guys” even when it’s a woman addressing a group of women.

    The literal meaning isn’t gender neutral, but in actual practice, it 100% is.

    As for “y’all” or “you all”, I don’t see how it could possibly be interpreted as offensive to any gender.

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      Dude is also situationally gender neutral. Saying “Hey dude” to a trans woman is misgendering her but exclaiming “Yo dude check this out!” or “Duuuude no way” is perfectly acceptable.

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      As for “y’all” or “you all”, I don’t see how it could possibly be interpreted as offensive to any gender.

      I think “we don’t take kindly to y’all” to a trans person would likely be offensive.

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        66 months ago

        “yall” is obviously not the problematic part of that sentence

        • @ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
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          I might as well double down while I’m here, “we don’t take kindly” was too aggressive wording.

          I meant something more neutral like “I think y’all are weird”.

          That way, the y’all is the problematic part. That was my point.

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              Okay, I’ll bite. How is y’all not the problematic part when it’s specifically referring to trans people in that case?

              That certainly seems problematic to me.

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                Literally the entire rest of the sentence is the problematic part. “We don’t take kindly to you”, it doesn’t matter if they say “y’all”, “you all”, “you people”, “your kind”, take your pick, it’s not the problem with the sentence

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        I mean … Thats just an all out threat with y’all acting as an exclusionary statement.

        All in all agree with your point tho.

    • @ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works
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      The literal meaning isn’t gender neutral, but in actual practice, it 100% is.

      Unless you can ask a straight man how many guys he’s slept with, it isn’t gender neutral, no matter how resistant to this fact you are.

      • _haha_oh_wow_
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        That’s how people use it, whether you like it or not. I did not invent the language, but that’s how people use it.

        Saying “guys” on its own is also not the same thing as “you guys” in regions that do this.

        You can shoot the messenger all you like but it is what it is and I have no power over how people in a region use a language, I am merely informing you of that fact.

  • @nadiaraven@lemmy.world
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    Y’all is the opposite of offensive for trans people. I lived in the south for a while, and I now use y’all specifically to be inclusive. I wouldn’t say “you guys” is offensive to trans women, but I would say for me and likely other trans women it briefly brings to mind being misgendered in the past, so I would call it a small kindness to ube as gender neutral as possible.

    • @myusernameis@lemmy.ca
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      Yup, I specifically use y’all and recommend it to people (like my parents) to replace gendered phrases, and I’m not from the y’all zone.

      Still up for debate, “dude” and “hun/hon”.

      *I’m a trans woman also

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        I feel like I have watched in real time as Y’all has gained usage up in the Canadian Queer community.

        I am old enough to still regard “hon” as demi hostile but “dude” seems to be drifting more and more gender neutral. At heart we may all just be ninja turtles all the way down

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    I thought y’all was just a gender neutral term combining you and all.

    How would it be wrong or offensive to refer to refer to trans person as “y’all”? Genuine question.

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    I’m from “you guys” but I’ve lived in “y’all” and now I’m forever team “y’all,” regardless of where I’m living.

    It’s the best export from the south, except maybe Texas brisket and pecan pie.

  • @captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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    Y’all actually has gained particular traction in the north through the queer community. Most trans people I know use y’all even if their geographic location doesn’t indicate they should

  • @jsomae@lemmy.ml
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    Y’all reminds me of the bible belt. I’m not transgender but I am queer and now and then it makes me uncomfortable.

    • @Alice@beehaw.org
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      Queer people who live in the bible belt still say “y’all”. It literally means “you all”.

      • @jsomae@lemmy.ml
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        explaining the etymology doesn’t really change anything. I don’t know why you thought that would make me stop associating it with the bible belt.

        • @Alice@beehaw.org
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          I don’t know why you thought that would make me stop associating it with the bible belt.

          I don’t remember saying anything like that. I just don’t get why being from the bible belt makes it offensive, since again, queer people in the bible belt use it too, and it doesn’t mean anything offensive. If regionalisms are offensive because of where they’re from, it makes me wonder how people feel about my accent.

  • @Olap@lemmy.world
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    Yous in Scotland is great to wind up Proper English speakers. If they whinge they get a y’all

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    Having exported myself from the deep South to Yankee land, “Y’all have a good one!” never fails to brighten the day of someone working a cash register.

    In general, folks up here really like southern politeness. They think sugar wouldn’t melt in my mouth. I get stopped in stores to talk all the time. Pretty frequently, they just give me a discount. I thought Yankees were supposed to be rude, but they’re actually really nice in public.

  • @Etterra@lemmy.world
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    Y’all = you all, which is gender neutral.

    Also that map is missing the Chicagoland y’all exclave.