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I feel like you’re an asshole if you buy a 22 foot long pickup to take to IKEA.
I don’t see it that way. Long vehicles at IKEA, Lowe’s, hell even Michael’s – I don’t care. Their parking lots are built for that. And the stuff they get.
Long vehicles in a fucking Trader Joes, definitely asshole material.
It really depends on WHERE you park if you are going to park this way. Parking it in the boonies, way way out at the end of the parking lot? Saintly.
Parking it as close to the entrance as possible? Dungeon. 1000 years dungeon.
But generally I agree. This is the purpose of a truck. To haul heavy items that would not fit in a standard or small vehicle. But don’t buy a fucking truck for status or for your office job.
How about backing up the truck bed into the entrance doors, so when you get done, you just load it straight into the back of your truck, THEN exit the building, and drive off?
Launched into the sun.
Ikea does have loading zones for this purpose.
Typically you don’t PARK in a loading zone.
The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
So the people carrying less items of smaller size have an easier time, and the person carrying the larger items to go in the larger truck have to go further away?
Ah yes, logic.
Why not have large parking spaces near the front to accommodate this, not expect people to just park somewhere else.
If you’re buying things that necessitate the truck, you won’t be carrying them. You’ll be rolling your order out on carts. It’s a non-issue to have to roll it a bit further.
IKEA and home depot both have loading zones typically where after you’re done shopping you can go get your truck, bring it to the front, load up, then be on your way. Costco and Best Buy will let you do it too for big TVs or furniture, and I’m sure other places don’t care either. I’ve definitely parked in the fire lane in front of a Harbor Freight to load up a super heavy hydraulic press and no one cares.
Sam’s Club (a warehouse store similar to Costco that’s owned by the same company as Walmart) does the same thing. They have a small loading zone in front of the store for people with big purchases.
Yeah, God forbid he wants to actually take stuff home.
That said, if you’ve got a huge truck (and I live in the country and work blue collar so I get it, sometimes you need one), have a small car too. Trucks aren’t cheap, you can afford a Civic for the city.
I’m sure lots of people have stories about getting huge loads home from IKEA in a tiny car.
I once got two 10’ tall wardrobes and a matching dresser home in a Volkswagen.
I am this person. Packing half a house of furnishings into a Mitsubishi Mirage and then driving like 90 miles back to my house.
You’d be amazed what I can get in the back of my 2008 Mini.
I have transported a 7 foot long TV entertainment stand from ikea in my Mustang.
When I bought my Miata, it came with a small utility trailer. I’ve used that trailer to transport home an 8’ tall, 4’ wide, solid wood pantry cabinet – not flat-pack; a custom-built, very heavy antique. Now, I’m sad to say I didn’t actually use the Miata to tow it in that instance (I think I used my old 4Runner instead), but the point is I could have, and it would’ve worked.
Get your truck up to the loading area then. Why are you moving huge loads by hand when you have a perfectly good truck for that?
IKEA started as a furniture shipping company (thus the flat packages and the warehouse aesthetic) and many furniture companies like IKEA still ship to your doorstep or beyond often for a similar or better price compared to what individual transport costs.
there is also value in seeing and testing a variety of products in person.
yes, the sane way to buy furniture from Ikea is to visit the showroom to look at everything in-person, and then give them your address for delivery of anything very large.
Except for the part where they charge extra for delivery. If I’m driving there planning to buy large items I might as well make sure to bring a vehicle that can bring my purchases home with me. Usually that means a trailer - and unlike delivery, renting a trailer at IKEA is free where I live (provided you’ve bought something).
what do you do with the trailer when you get home?
Have it at home overnight and then leave it back at IKEA on my way to work the next day.
Bad faith: “Are you really transporting those products back and forth to test?”
GoodBetter faith: Seeing and testing furniture doesn’t imply not using shipping.Speculation: For many, use value of products seem less important compared to short-term novelty value, i.e. owning over using. Celebrating ownership might require immediate access regardless of location, showing ability to HAUL the products then displays further power.
For shopping at Trader Joe’s while they’re trying to dissolve the NLRB, yes, also the truck thing
What happened to them? I remember back in the day, they were the place where employees from other unionized supermarkets aspired to work, and when they got there, they were happy as clams and in it for the long haul.
They got bought out, so they no longer have the same ethics.
Didn’t amazon buy them out? Or was that whole foods?
You think this is just his ikea vehicle?
But they’re not only driving to Ikea. They’re on our roads and streets and pedestrians and cyclists.
Yea you’re right they should buy a second smaller car for when they go to certain stores…
If it weren’t for insurance I’d be doing exactly that. My truck was in bad shape, but would still get from A to B. I would have loved to replace it with a small, efficient vehicle. But you have to have liability insurance on every vehicle, which is idiotic because liability insurance doesn’t cover the vehicle being driven.
Yea but the the environmental cost of a second fucking car would completely negate any efficiency benefit it would offer, no?
My truck had enough miles on it it was only valuable as scrap metal. The dealership offered me $100 for it.
Theere wouldn’t have been an extra car built because I chose to keep it, but my replacement everyday car would have been more efficient.
That’s why they have loading areas. Park your land yacht way in the back of the lot or on the street until you’re ready to put your flat pack couch in it.
Dodge ram.
Statistically speaking they also have a DUI.
So you volunteer to be behind him on the freeway as he brings home an entertainment center, a quadruple order of meatballs, and a set of bunk beds piled out the back of his Honda Civic? Ikea is one of the most logical places to drive the big truck.
You can fit that in a normal pickup. I don’t think IKEA sells anything that requires a 22 foot long pickup. Also, who buys entertainment centers and bunk beds on the reg?
Who’s to say he drives this to town on the reg? That’s what the Civic is usually for.
Is there such a thing as a 22ft long truck? I sure as fuck hope not and now I’m afraid to look it up. My guess is they were towing a trailer.
Dodge Ram can be 21’+
It also implies, statistically speaking, they have a DUI.
Who down voted you? Now technically given the rarity of drunk drivers actually getting caught, you’re probably wrong but only for the wrong reason.
Statistically, though, pickup trucks are more likely to get into accidents. They have a higher per capita accident rate even in many rural areas where there aren’t even as many people to hit.
And the dodge ram is literally statistically a 2x multiplier for DUIs
Compared to average? I wonder what’s on the lower end.
My F-250 is right at 20’ long, with the 6½’ box. With an 8’ box it would be banging on 22 feet.
Fortunately, it’s not about “need.” I wanted one of these behemoths since I first saw them back in the early 2000s. Now that I have one, the cost of diesel keeps it in the driveway, or I’d be taking it everywhere.
BTW, it gets used. I’ve hauled 3,000 pounds of tile in the bed, and still has 250 pounds of payload to spare. On another trip, 1,500 pounds of dog food. A freezer. A full-sized couch and loveseat. Bookshelves. A bed. A king-sized mattress. A 6’x6’ desk. 2 powered recliners. If we’d had ramps, a Harley Road King. I almost had to haul a buddy’s 350 Chevy V8 and transmission, but the sale fell through at the last minute.
I’d like to see your Honda Civic/Miata/Volvo do any of that.
I’ve hauled in the 1500-2000 lbs ballpark in my Benz wagons. I know a guy who has done ~4000 on a trailer attached to a 90s Civic (no, that was not all that legal or safe).
Big trucks are kinda cool (as long as you don’t drive and park like a douche), but they’re far from the only way to transport goods. A diesel wagon will get better mpg hauling than your truck will running empty. Plus if you rent a trailer, you can’t scratch the bed of your truck (or spill anything in your trunk)
Wow you’re so very cool and so so very powerful
Yes, crew can with an 8ft bed.
I don’t see them often, but they are almost always used as actual work vehicles. Very few people who want a “big” truck want a long truck. It’s just a total pain.
I’m sure they’ve got parking spots far enough of that no one will complain. I’ve been to 5 Ikea’s, none have had full lots. This seems like a call to attention and drama. (Not sure on whose part.)
If this person works in a trade that requires heavy hauling of equipment and matrials, fine. They need this truck.
If this person is using it to make up for personal inadequacies then fuck them for buying a monstrosity that pollutes like hell and wasted gasoline.
To be fair, going to IKEA is a defensible application for a vehicle like this. Some of those flat packs are pretty bulky.
You’re going to purchase a 22ft truck just for Ikea trips? How often are you going to Ikea for large furniture?
Perhaps there are people who don’t keep a fleet of differently-sized trucks so as not to overshoot.
Right, so these people are going to drive a 22ft truck everywhere because they might go to Ikea at some point in the next 5-10 years?
I went to Ikea with my Honda Civic and strapped my order to the roof of my car. It was awkward for 1 day instead of being awkward every single day.
Maybe they’re doing work that involves moving a bunch of furniture around and they get a portion of it from IKEA?
Silly. For whatever reason they have access to a big truck. Going to IKEA today: do I take the Toyota Starlet or the big truck? I’ll take the big truck.
If we’re talking working at IKEA as like a delivery guy yeah but as a normal dude you don’t need a full size pickup for a once a year thing even I a dude who lives in the middle of nowhere Vermont and have to haul firewood to stay warm during winter my willies jeep does the job just fine and that’s a car that doesn’t even have a bed I just have a crap ton of horsepower and a trailer people forget that jeeps entered the civilian market as a work vehicle for farms and lumber yards
If you’re picking up something big from IKEA, you probably borrow whatever you can. Maybe your cousin has a big-ass truck they can let you use.
I once rented a cargo van to buy a mattress and bed frame from IKEA. It turned out that I didn’t need the van at all and could have packed everything into the 4-door sedan I had at the time. Part of it was because the mattress was rolled up in a compact manner. I seem to recall that the van could easily fit in one spot.
the only road vehicles longer than 20 feet that i know of off the top of my head are busses, and box trucks, and im guessing this is a box truck.
Neither of those are cool enough for someone with a small dick to drive as a daily lmao.
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if you look at the bed and it’s empty, but dented and worn, you high the owner of that truck if you see them for using it properly.
If it has shit in the bed and it’s pristine and mint, you scowl at them for owning a new truck.
Right, because they had absolutely no choice but to buy a truck so goddamn oversized that it can’t fit in a spot. Fuck that guy.
So much accusations and assumptions. What if the owner is a construction worker doing custom kitchen deliveries, and needs this monster for living. You sure can’t haul a kitchen kit in your man’s Toyota Aygo or Fiat 500.
How about a rancher, car hauler, or farmer.
Far too many people have no concept for legitimate need for such a monster of a vehicle because they only know assholes who want a big truck for the sake of having a big truck.
To be fair, the majority of truck owners have no need for the utility, and just want a big truck
The cropping makes me suspicious. I don’t know what vehicle it is or where it is. Feels like engineered rage bait.
Exactly this here. Give people an open online discussion platform and they will turn it into Twitter.
Then park in the back of the lot or on the street.
How do you know it isn’t? The picture looks intentionally framed to obscure where this vehicle is parked or even what it is.
You sure can’t haul a kitchen kit in your man’s Toyota Aygo or Fiat 500.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. With Ikea flat-pack cabinets and a small enough kitchen design (e.g. galley kitchen in a tiny apartment), I wouldn’t be surprised if you could fit everything except the appliances in one of those tiny cars.
Of course, it’d probably be easier to fit them on a bicycle with a proper trailer.
That’s an amazing trailer! Add in an ebike and you could haul almost anything you need for the vast majority of home projects.
You never tried that yourself, am I right?
What, the tiny car thing or the bike trailer thing?
I don’t have an Aygo/500 or a fancy Bikes at Work trailer, but I have hauled stuff in the Hyundai Accent hatchback I used to own and towed cargo in a cheap Instep bicycle trailer.
(I admit, a Hyundai Accent hatchback is quite a bit bigger than an Aygo or 500, especially with the rear seats folded down. It can hold enough that I’d be more worried about maxing out weight capacity when hauling flat-pack cabinets, rather than having sufficient cargo volume for them.)
I hauled my entire kitchen remodel home in a Prius.
Cool. How many trips? Would you do it for a living?
To those saying it’s a truck at a furniture store: Y’all, it’s IKEA. Almost everything is boxed, you don’t need the truck. I manage just fine in a Mini Cooper (although admittedly that’s because of the hatch back, my Ford sedan has some trouble on the longer boxes).
That said, trucks have a place. Just not sure why they’re allowed to sell to normies such long trucks; we really need regulation on that. It’s getting rather dangerous in parking lots for the exact reason this guy put on his notification. Trying to get out of a spot with a long vehicle next to you is a bit of a roll of the dice because of visibility especially.
Not absolutely everything. I got my wife a wicker rocking chair from Ikea years ago when she was pregnant as a nursing chair and I had to strap it to the top of my car with bungees. But it was still just a sedan. I didn’t need a big truck.
I’ve gained such a love for “small” pickup trucks due to these huge ass trucks
My first vehicle was a Ford Ranger, and up until a few weeks ago it was my favorite.
Okay, go buy a couch. Or a table.
Even with the hatchback open you’re not safely fitting a couch in there, a box that’s 37" by 69". Mind you, that’s just one of the 4 boxes.
My compact SUV can just barely it all the Morabo couch boxes in a single trip…
Plan on buying more than that couch? Too bad. Not fitting.
If only there were companies (perhaps even the ones you bought furniture from) who had speciallist delivery vehicles for the twice in a decade time you need to move funiture.
Alas it isnt to be.
Alas, if only I had free delivery with my couch and loveseat I purchased. If only they had something like that as an incentive to get people to buy furniture.
Woe be us.
You can just rent a truck for such cases. Most truck use cases are so rare for the average person that renting is cheaper than buying a large truck. Also, a lot of these large pickups have a auprisingly short 🛌.
Every time I read this take I am a little surprised it’s so prevalent. I guess I just go to the hardware store or IKEA or get free furniture on the side of the road more than nearly everyone else on the Internet. I would LOVE a truck, since my Subaru often isn’t big enough for what I need/want to do. Now granted, I want a small truck with a full size bed that can fit a sheet of plywood, not a giant hauler for a boat or RV*, and certainly not an inexplicable 4-door truck for hauling people with a 6-ft bed like you mention, but it’s still wild to me that there aren’t more heavy DIYers or even new home owners like me on Lemmy. Maybe I’m on the wrong instance.
*Technically we could probably get away with a truck like that since my wife needs to haul giant boat trailers for work, but they provide a rental. We’d probably make more money with a reimbursement using our own, but I don’t have space to store a giant F350 or whatever because we DO have a giant RV, but not a tow behind because I don’t like them.
https://minitrucks.net/ they have kei trucks that are already imported into North America, and Australia it seems, and their prices seem reasonable.
Holy crap I’ve always wanted an Acty, but I thought they would be more expensive to import and what not. Thank you so much for posting this link!
If those are highway legal I might be very interested once I sell my project car. Thanks!
They’re not highway legal in at least several states. I also don’t think they’re capable of highway speeds anyway though
When I last moved, I fit my six person dining room set in my VW Passat at the same time. The table was partially disassembled, all the chairs were whole. Pretty sure there was other stuff in the car at the time too. Regular people don’t need these giant pickups.
I fit an entire Kivik (sofa with chaise) into a Nissan Rogue no problem. It’s impressive how effective their sizing and modularity is.
my compact SUV
Oh, so thats why he’s defending a truck.
My partner is a professional woodworker. Turns out, we haul a lot of very large stuff. You might be surprised to learn that many people utilize their trucks.
I specified normies in my comment because trucks are for utility. If you need it for work, honestly it should be a licensed thing. After all, you can also write it off your taxes and maybe even get it covered with subsidies.
They generally don’t need to seat a family of four, nor do most benefit from a lifted bed, though. A simple cab and an easy to reach bed make for a more efficient transport.
I need the third dimension on that box. I absolutely could fit a 37" × 69" × 12" box in my SAAB 900 SPG, load in smaller boxes, and still close the hatch. I know this because I fit a bureau in the back that was 40" × 70" × 30".
How often are you buying furniture? Every day? Every week? Every month?
i mean, most parking lots have back to back spaces, so it sounds to me like they’ve pulled in the first one, all the way through to the next one. I see no problem here, large trucks like this have to stop somewhere.
Beats parking in the lot sideways LMAO.
Yeah, it’d be like 4-6 spots if they did it sideways xD
double that if you’re really trying hard
When I drove a small school bus, and I needed to park it somewhere in between the times I was transporting students, I generally looked for a spot at the edges of the lot to back into, where the back of the bus would overhang over the curb (I made sure it would never disturb any sidewalk). Of course, I did several times see full-sized school buses diagonally parked across 4 spaces at the far end of a large parking lot; after all, there’s not much else you can do with such a large vehicle.
yeah school busses outside of parking lots at schools or depots are pretty hard to deal with. Unless you want to park it in your driveway, maybe.
large trucks like this have to stop somewhere.
Do they? Are these big trucks necessary at all outside of a construction yard?
To be fair, its ikea. Its appropriate to have a truck there to carry a lot of furnuture back.
uh yeah, have you ever seen a moving truck? They’re all large big box trucks, if you’ve ever been in a more affluent neighborhood you’ll have seen an RV, whether towed or not. You’ve seen garbage trucks (though those don’t really count, as do most other industry trucks)
especially considering this is relevant to ikea.
like i’m cool with bitching about f150s being large and shit, but trucks that are 22 feet long are a bit of a different story.
It’s Dodge RAM, you can see by the interior
Well at a furniture store I can understand. Maybe it’s someone from a business buying a lot of furniture.
You know, it doesn’t say how they’re taking up two spots. If they’re going about it long-wise, then I’d be okay with long ass vehicles taking up two spots. I’ve seen cars/trucks with trailers do it all the time.
Now if they’re parking like a BMW and taking up two spots that way, then sure, they’re kind of an ahole. Slightly Less so if at least they parked in the boonies.
I think the assholery entirely derives from where in the lot they are. First half of rows? Fuckin asshole. Ass end of the lot? You’re fine. I’m not gonna assume this person doesn’t have a reason for owning a larger vehicle, that’d be unreasonable. I’ll judge based on the actual information present, and it seems like they’re at least TRYING.
Yeah there’s that too lol.The further back the better.
That’s the second time I’ve noticed the word boonies and they were both today. What does it mean?
Short for “boondocks,” which just means out in a rural area (or in this case, the far end of the parking lot).
I’m too lazy to look up the etymology though.
Thanks. I was clearly too lazy to Google it either! Have a good day, helpful internet steanger.
Boonies (n): a thinly settled rural area
Boondocks (n): a remote, thinly settled rural area
(They both have basically the same definition, but I thought I’d still put them both for good measure.)
Thank you!
I mean if it’s for mostly utility and work I’ll give this a pass.
Also most of the time the a-holes take 2 width worth of parking spaces. Rarely I see 2 parking space long.
When I used to have a beetle I used to park behind super long trucks at major events when there was no parking spaces left… So… win win.
This would have to be a HD truck with an 8ft bed and a crew cab. I don’t see anyone driving those things around for fun.
The lifted truck crowd is doing short beds.
i’m willing to bet lots of money this is actually just a box truck, look at the interior and roof line, it’s just a box truck.
I’m not seeing that. Logo on the steering wheel seems likely to be a Ram. Though, I can’t entirely make it out.
you might be right about the steering wheel logo. Though i’m still willing to make that bet lol
It does seem that there are box trucks based on the Ram pickup chassis, but I don’t think I’ve seen those in person. Most box trucks I see here in Canada are either based on a van chassis (usually Ford Econoline or Chevrolet Express/GMC Savana, but sometimes European-style vans like the Sprinter), the Ford F-650/750, or an actual truck chassis, like an Isuzu cabover or something from a company like Kenworth or International.
Also depends on where. If they parked in a mostly empty area of the parking lot, ok, who cares. If they park in the closest possible place that can fit them, well, that’s not cool.
if it’s for mostly utility and work I’ll give this a pass.
What is the utility or work application that requires a truck that can’t fit in a regular sized parking space? There are plenty of trucks that fit in regular sized parking spaces, what is the special use case here that needs to be 22 feet long?
In the US, all metal tubes/pipes/stock for metal-working related tasks (welding, plumbing, structural stuff) comes in 20ft sections. The three options that I know of for transporting them are: trailer, box truck or roof rack.
A 22foot truck with roof rack would be perfect for someone who works with metal e.g. a plumber. A smaller truck would work but then you’ve got a bunch of pipes hanging off like you’re in a jousting tournament.20 foot pipes on a roof rack sounds like an impalation waiting to happen, regardless of the size of the vehicle underneath.
Trailer or box truck delivery to their shop where they can cut it to length and transport it in a smaller vehicle if it fits. And if it doesn’t, use the trailer or box truck to deliver it to the site.
Most of the time, I’d guess that pipe that long is involved in new builds or major renovations.
Or, at the very least, make these oversized trucks require a business or trades license if they are truly the best option for some business or trades scenarios.
Aright then, how about for a ladder? Do you want to drive a box truck or trailer around to hold one ladder and painting supplies or whatever?
At least a ladder can be secured with more than just friction on the sides, so I’m not as concerned about the safety.
People were able to move ladders before oversized trucks were a thing.
But it would work with the “limit them to businesses and trades people who actually benefit from having an oversized truck instead of a small or normal sized one”.
Towing, in particular with a fifth wheel or gooseneck trailer.
What benefit does a longer truck provide to towing? A stronger engine and a stronger frame does not require a longer frame.
Crosswind stability and you need the larger bed for tighter turning with the gooseneck or fifth wheel hitch.
What an asshole.
He realy is
For buying the stupid vehicle in the first place.
I think this is the nicest way to go about parking a vehicle like this. I might think it’s a bigger vehicle than necessary, but this is not the person who should primarily receive hate for their choice of car.
exactly, it could be their work vehicle and they don’t have a choice! people like to view it from their hate colored glasses and make assumptions. I used to drive a big box truck when my car died, it took up two spaces, but I’m an asshole for not buying a car that meets your criteria, got it!
Depends on where they parked. If it’s way out of the way, then no one cares, they aren’t using a parking spot someone wanted anyway.
If they are right at the front of the store, well that’s a bit entitled.
Choosing to buy an impractical vehicle does not give one a pass to park incorrectly
Technically, parking with a part sticking out is still parking incorrectly.
Taking up two spots, while still incorrect, is still safer for all involved and won’t potentially block traffic. I’m speaking as someone who has nearly hit a truck that was sticking out while turning into a parking lot (I wasn’t able to see the truck prior to turning) on at least a couple of occasions.
Safety > Convenience
Better idea: Don’t buy a truck that’s too big to use safely…
He’s parked at an IKEA. I’m willing to bet he’s a contractor that needs that long of a truck to fit everything he buys (including stuff from Home Depot or Lowe’s).
Contractors didn’t exist before trucks became stupid huge? I didn’t know that…
Contractors did exist. Innovation usually happens because enough people have a want or need for something for some reason. It’s entirely possible (or even likely) that long trucks came into existence because contractors had a need for them. Ford and other truck companies saw an opportunity to make money from that need and obliged.
Idk man, these parking spots get tighter all the time. And making a poor decision to purchase a vehicle on the market should not invalidate a buyers frustrations. Compatibility between car manufacturers and parking spots are getting worse. Also, some people are overloaded and they take up two spots at the back of the lot. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Hauling a trailer but needed to stop by for some groceries before your camping trip in a lot that doesn’t have trailer parking, that person should have the freedom to go take two spots at the back.
Do you have a source for your claim that parking spots are getting smaller? I’ve personally seen the exact opposite.
I never said they’re getting smaller. I said tighter as in it’s tighter to park in them because cars are getting bigger. And I’m not talking your F350 extended bed and cab super truck. You can just look up any articles. Appyparking did a study on it. American parking spots with the double lines are few outside of Costco.
https://appyway.com/blog/press/parking-is-the-most-stressful-part-of-driving/
Not sure why I’m getting down voted here. The people here get upset over the silliest things. Parking sucks. People are stressed. Stop yelling at someone for buying a car too big for parking. Not everyone is driving a prius, and everyone has a right to buy a vehicle on the market and expect for it to comply with all standards, including parking.
Well, “compact” parking spots are about a foot narrower and developers see a way to claim more parking spots for the same area… To the extent they can get away with it I think they do it more.
Anybody parking an oversized vehicle in a compact spot is definitely a jerk. Those are exclusively for compact cars, no ifs ands or buts.
I have to park my work van like this a lot but I always park it at the back of the lot when I do, but would you rather have me blocking traffic to the parking lot if i tried to park in a spot normally? No, you wouldnt, and I probably get asked not to do that again by the store.
Don’t worry he’s REALY not an asshole and also knows how to spell
The misspelling of really was bothersome… But the 4 dot ellipsis triggers me. That and windshield is also misspelled. I’m not perfect but if I’m gonna print something I’ll at least hit spellchecker.
Yeah I feel like if you are going to print that you should at least run spell check
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Let it stick out into “traffic,” since it’s just a parking lot. Better to have to drive around it than to take up an extra spot.
