• @hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world
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    "Ivy, you know who I am at this point. Let me attest that most of these people don’t actually do shit. There are layers of layers of management and shareholders that allow the average generational wealth billionaire to extract extreme amounts of wealth without doing shit. That’s honestly a good thing in your case, because anyone who actually has the ability to make obscene money in this universe is either a superhero or supervillain, and you would have just walked into their secret hideout.

    If you do kill him, the best case scenario is a collection of hedge funds you never heard of divy up his controlling shares and keep business as usual flowing. The worst case is Luthor buys the company and makes everything a million times worse as step one in a convoluted plan to kill superman via kryptonite laced micro plastics. The most likely thing is one of those technically secret society orgs seizing control because at this point they just need some win. My money is on the Owls. They’ve been humiliated so many times they’ve been officially downgraded to “community advisory committee”.

    I honestly don’t even understand where this is coming from. You and Freeze both have blank checks from both WayneTech and Star Labs to continue your research. Either of you alone could reverse large portions of climate change. If you really wanted to go the vigilante route, you could have just mind controlled him. Darksied is planning an invasion, there are no less than three evil AIs rolling around, I’m dealing with two separate split personalities, and I haven’t heard from the Joker in a while which means we’re all probably fucked. Even if I did notice, it would take me literal years to get around to actually fixing it. It feels like you are doing this because on some level you want to fail, because that’s easier than doing the hard work required to fix the systemic abuses of our system "

    “…So I take it the Therapy’s working, huh Bruce?”

    “Sort of. It’s Batman”.

    “Actually technically right now you’re Nightwing. Care to explain that?”

    “It’s a long story. The short of it is that I’m pulling double duty because Dick somehow forgot how to fucking Jump and Jason took Damien out for “Beer and Cigarettes”, which I can only hope is literal because anything it would be a metaphor for would involve no less than two dozen corpses.”.

    “Jesus Christ and Harley said I was carrying too much stress. I’ll come back next week, get some rest Bruce”

    “Batman”

    "Nightwing "

    “…”

    • @azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
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      Batman fundamentally embodies social justice as an individual violent power fantasy. He’s the ultimate reactionary: use violence to fix individual people’s problems, never address (or even acknowledge) the violence inherent to the social system. (Some authors’ occasional deviations from this core characterization do not make up for it).

      At best Batman is enjoyable because anti-heroes are enjoyable (I’ve heard there are some self-aware issues of Batman). At worst it’s painfully unaware, mask-off copaganda (such as the one and-and-a-half Nolan movies I slugged through).

      The top comment is a fanfic about Batman explaining social systems to Poison Ivy. Great idea, except that such wokeness is antithetical to his entire worldview. He’s basically a Republican who happens to be against the death penalty for personal/religious reasons.

  • @Huschke@lemmy.world
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    7 years? That’s a pretty old meme. We have already done irreparable damage and we could only mitigate it at this point.

  • @Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
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    Batman would rather beat up and cripple poor people who fell into crime from their situation, instead of actually doing something about it. After decades, Gotham ends up worse than when he got in, and the criminals just got crazier. He made it worse.

  • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥
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    Killing the billionaire doesn’t change anything. Someone else will take his place and continue the destruction.

    Bruce Wayne has pushed for good environmental changes using his influence.

    I’m tired of these idiotic memes made by people who have no idea about Batman.

    Only fine thing about this meme is Poison Ivy 🥵

    • @NateNate60@lemmy.world
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      I add an asterisk to your comment.

      If enough executives get killed by eco-terrorists then people will reconsider wanting to be an executive at those companies.

        • @grandkaiser@lemmy.world
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          Exactly! We should absolutely have groups of people inflict violence on anyone who opposes my political beliefs! (Don’t worry, my political beliefs are the true and virtuous ones, other political beliefs are evil and corrupt)

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          …which increases the cost of doing business for those companies.

          And if eco-terrorists are successfully killing their directors, then they are probably also setting fire to their offices, mailing poison to managers, sending death threats and hate mail to employees, vandalising company property, calling in bomb threats to their refineries, executing those threats…

          • @lath@lemmy.world
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            The benefits outweigh the costs. Openly employing private armies with full government support, randomly arresting suspected eco-terrorists and their families, holding them indefinitely at undisclosed locations, raiding or UAV bombing reported gathering locations etc.

            Think of all the fun to be had!

    • @samus12345@lemmy.world
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      310 months ago

      Killing the billionaire doesn’t change anything. Someone else will take his place and continue the destruction.

      Ivy: “Yeah, but it will be fun!”

  • @fukurthumz420@lemmy.world
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    this could have been a great thread to talk about what we should really be doing to these billionaires and their companies, and you nerds just descended into batman lore.

  • @Bruhh@lemmy.world
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    I’m with Ivy all the way but at the end of the day, the CEO position will just be replaced by another suit.

    • @saplyng@lemmy.world
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      If you do it publically and explicitly enough, by the third or fourth mouthpiece they should be changing their tune

  • @BluesF@lemmy.world
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    ACAB includes batman. Pretty much all masked vigilantes are worse, in fact. Batman is at no risk of losing his job over police brutality. Batman brutality is just… Expected. And the police just let him do it!

    • @MindTraveller@lemmy.ca
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      910 months ago

      Any time Spider-Man is accused of committing a crime, Jameson puts a bounty on his head and the cops start shooting him on sight. Care to explain how Spider-Man is worse than cops?

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        Batman doesn’t give the cops ninja training because that would mean the cops on the take and the cops who kneel on black people’s necks for fun have ninja training. We don’t need to go adding karate chops to police brutality.

        And even the “good” cops are complicit by being part of the organisation, so they don’t deserve ninja training either.

          • @MindTraveller@lemmy.ca
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            210 months ago

            Batman works with individuals within the police he trusts, like Gordon, whether they’re at the top of the organisation or the bottom. He doesn’t trust 90% of cops, because he knows about ACAB. Keep in mind that DC Comics is a world where billionaires can be good people, so we’ve already got a fair amount of fantasy in the works. There are also unreasonably upstanding police, though just as rare.

    • @samus12345@lemmy.world
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      410 months ago

      Ivy must really hate vegans and vegetarians, who go out of their way to consume her best friends in particular.

  • IninewCrow
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    410 months ago

    The most interesting, likeable, intelligent, philosophical and relatable characters in the Batman universe are the supposed villains.

    I never really enjoyed Batman… I always liked everyone else that were his enemies.

    • @MindTraveller@lemmy.ca
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      This portrayal of Poison Ivy isn’t accurate to the comics. The actual Poison Ivy doesn’t care about saving humanity from climate change, she only cares about saving the plants. She murders vegetarians in retaliation for eating plants. She thinks plants have feelings, and she’s wrong. She’s not an environmentalist, she’s a plant supremacist.

      Poison Ivy would kill all off all the birds that eat berries, and drive the berry producing trees to extinction from lack of pollination in the process. She’s not a rational thinker.

      • Stern
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        She thinks plants have feelings, and she’s wrong.

        She’s not entirely wrong

        https://swampthing.fandom.com/wiki/The_Green

        everything gotta have some weird nuance these days though. Can’t just have the green lanterns either, gotta have red, blue, yellow, white, black, etc. Can’t just have the speed force, gotta have a whole cosmology there too. It’s a fuckin mess.

        • @MindTraveller@lemmy.ca
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          The Green is a collective consciousness, not an individual consciousness. If I kill a single neuron in your brain, do you feel pain? No. The individual plants don’t have their own feelings. The Green is a big picture phenomenon, but Ivy is incapable of big picture thinking. She sees a human trimming a hedge and she goes apeshit. The problem is that Ivy’s powers project a consciousness onto plants. She gives them the gift of sentience. In other words, she’s the one making the plants suffer, and she can’t see that.