EDIT: I should’ve read the article, but I’m taking the L and leaving this up with a strikethrough. The phrasing “after” in the headline definitely creates the wrong impression here. As for what this says about people, I guess we’ll have to see if the other ten whistleblowers still testify.
And if you think it’s too much to assume Boeing killed these two people, that’s the wrong question. It matters more whether as a fellow whistleblower it’s reasonable to worry about whether Boeing killed them, and I think it is.
Also Boeing definitely killed the first guy at least. “If I die, it’s not suicide.” - man who “committed suicide”. WTAF.
If you ever hear anyone talking about how humans suck and we’re all terrible and will definitely destroy ourselves, just think about the fact that killing whistleblowers was quickly followed by more whistleblowers. Not just lone heros, but ten fucking people said, “hey, fuck you, are you really gonna kill me too?” knowing that the answer could well be “yes”.Funny, just yesterday probably I was arguing with someone in another thread that was saying the people here don’t actually think Boeing had these whistleblowers killed, it was just making “implications and jokes.”
And here, very clearly, with a massive number of upvotes we have someone claiming that Boeing had them killed and that resulted in brave souls coming out afterward. lol
However, this also exposes another huge complaint I have with your typical lemmy-er (lemming? lemmite? what do you call a user of lemmy?): Almost no one reads the fucking article.
This isn’t about new whistleblowers coming out, but their lawyer claiming he is afraid that current whistle blowers will be “scared away.”
But, of course, what I’ve learned on reddit and even more so on lemmy is that the facts don’t matter, only the narrative.
Almost no one reads the fucking article.
You are describing the human species. Through its entire history.
Agreed. Although I will say… While people not reading the articles was extremely common on reddit… Sadly, I feel like Lemmy is even worse about it.
When I first started on reddit many years ago, while it was clear some people didn’t read the article, usually the top comment in the thread usually showed that they read the article, unless it was some kind joke. Over time it definitely got worse.
I was hoping when jumping to Lemmy that I would be able to recapture some of that magic.
Lemmy has a lot of good things going for it, but what I got in that regard is the top comment, with 100% upvotes, clearly not having read the article and spewing some unsubstantiated conspiratorial claims. It’s like being in r/conspiracy sometimes.
Yeah if you think we don’t do our due deligence, you should go to more right leaning social media, it’s all sound bites and knee jerk reactions.
Almost no one reads the fucking article
Same as it ever was
Yes, varying people have different opinions on subjects. It is easy to think a comment with upvotes is the way the hivemind goes, but the hivemind has multiple factions.
I, personally, have no opinion on the matter. The dude was septic and had a stroke. While it seems unlikely that was murder, I guess it is possible if you have infinite resources to make it look natural. But that is one HELL of a coincidence to have two whistle-blowers die . … like. … pretty fucking insane. Watch these next ten all die and no one important bats an eye.
Yes but our current society vests power in the corporation doing the killing. It’s a problem as old as civilization, but one we still haven’t solved. The problem is that these institutions and the technology they wield has never been greater.
We need an impartial lawnmower. Something external to the species that comes in and cuts the biggest ones in half. And it needs to be incorruptible and powerful enough to do this.
Damn, I think I just invented god again.
I like to think that climate change is that lawnmower, we either learn to cooperate or die.
"This world needs no savior,
just a headsman to cut her down".
“Erscheine!” (2008) By Eisregen, translated from German.
I needed to see this, just in general, today
I mean If it was an organized thing then I’m not sure it’s so dumb
They can kill two people but if ten more people die it would look really bad on there part and would become undeniable
It already looks really bad
I don’t know seems like everyone I know is convinced that the first two murders were coincidence. What is keeping 10 more being that way?
The first was probably murder, the second just coincidence.
Or they just tried harder to make it seem like a coincidence.
I was talking to someone the other day who was really bent out of shape over an extremely unpleasant customer. The kind of interaction that sticks with you for years.
I told my perspective on people. We tend to remember remarkable things - stuff that really stands out from the normal. The news media does the same thing. Normal, everyday stuff isn’t “newsworthy.”
So when an asshole customer stands out that much, it’s because it’s such a rare experience. People are mostly good, so the goodness doesn’t stand out.
Yeah, bad customers can ruin your day, but I remember doing customer service that one good customer with a nice smile can make your day good again. That’s why I always make an effort to be as nice as possible.
Counterpoint. There was one whistleblower killed, there are lots of people on this case like Boeing staff, government employees, the police, senators, the president, who haven’t done shit. Now there are two murders. Any of the people who SHOULD be doing something about it doing anything? No. Now there are 12 brave people against the thousands of shit people.
Anyone saying humans suck and are terrible is likely a terrible person themselves. Decent people tend to see the better aspect of humanity.
This is a leap. You can be a good person and also see that people as a whole can be both wonderful and absolutely terrible. This is a story about a mega corp murdering two whistleblowers, so far. In this case, the people involved in making this a headline suck and are terrible.
One death is coincidental, two is suspicious, any more and it’s gonna become plainly obvious, and now there’s 10. That’s just delicious. They can’t silence them all.
The first wasn’t coincidental. He said “hey they might murder me” then he died right before testifying.
Well, iirc he didn’t show for his deposition, or the day after, or the day after that, at which point the lawyers sent people to find him and found he “committed suicide”.
This is after he said “I am absolutely not going to commit suicide over this. If I die and people say it was suicide, I was killed.”
Even one death under these circumstances is not a coincidence, and that ought to be coded into law. You’d better fucking well hope the person who blows a whistle on you is healthy - that’s the world we should move towards. Not that that couldn’t also be abused, but the pendulum is way too fucking far this way.
Can’t or won’t?
Seriously, though, I wouldn’t be surprised, if a bunch of suicides or “retractions” are happening soon.
How about 2 million if you shut up? No? How about we publish this dirt on you? Would be a shame, if some nameless robber orphans your children.
But you wont argue that 10 dead whistblowers can still be a tremendous coincidence, right?
Any serious issue should have a paper trail of some sort. Emails, meetings, part rejections, that sort of thing. There are processes in place to allow anonymous reporting of some of these things.
I still don’t see why they can’t.
How is your polonium tea comrade?
Planely obvious
The hitperson is the only competent employee left at Boeing.
That guy is booked through year end now.
Overbooked. This is the airline industry we’re talking about.
He’s always taking the train to his missions, that’s the reason for the long time between the 2 kills
Are you telling us that there is a chance some whistlebowers have a chance to live into 2025.
Believe or not still not enough time for FAA and other fed soups to do their job
He’s out there playing whack a mole
You could just say ‘assassin’. “Hitperson” makes it sound like some HR-designated position, awkwardly titled in some neutral, milquetoast way as not to offend anyone.
“Hitperson” makes it sound like some HR-designated position, awkwardly titled in some neutral, milquetoast way as not to offend anyone.
That was intentional, I’m happy someone noticed.
Oh, my mistake
Honestly, that makes it funnier to me
Like the title of a Wes Anderson short, lol
It’s just a single shot of Bill Murray driving a car on a highway. He’s filmed from the passenger seat, and he’s telling a story of his dad, who worked as an engineer designing jet engines. And he’s all proud and going on and on.
And as he keeps talking, and as he keeps driving, you keep seeing shots of highway signs showing that you’re driving through rural Maryland on your way to Washington DC. You keep driving and he keeps telling a story about his father and how proud he was and eventually comes out that he worked for Boeing.
And you keep driving and he keeps telling a story and eventually you pull up in front of the building in Washington DC, and he gets out and the camera keeps pointing at the driver seat, but he walks out of frame and he walks into the building and you can hear some screaming in a couple gunshots and then cut to the credits.
Senior PR executive
Gotta love my fellow millennials - battered old souls that only the offer of getting murdered gets us properly motivated.
Most of us see that as a perk. “Wait, I can die right now, painlessly? Like totally painless? Where do I sign up?”
I mean, if the choice is instant, painless death or decade after decade of your parents asking why you don’t own a house, I guess death is fine?
Dark but that sentiment aint coming out of now where.
I mean a human unable establish a dwelling, that is a clear indicator of a sickness
I mean, I dont care abut pain as much as time - like I would settle for something interesting, like getting sucked off to death … into a jet engine at max speed.
This seems to be a recurring trend. Human rights took more blood than ink to write.
Article author seems to have completely fabricated the “10 more”. There are no quotes from anyone even hinting at more whistleblowers existing, let alone ten more.
Is not a source I’m familiar with. But everyone wants to believe it, so upvotes it is.
Its one of the largest Indian Newspapers
It might be, but I’ve noticed it has a very click baity style, and don’t find it to be very trustworthy.
Probably because quoting them would be a preemptive death
Boeing:
How do I so strongly recognize this but can’t recall what it’s from!!??
It’s a pretty popular GIF taken from the 2007 movie Hot Fuzz.
Hot Fuzz
It’s from a Star Wars spinoff movie: Hoth Tusk
Hold on! A SECOND whistleblower died?!
MRSA infection following hospital admittance for Pneumonia. That shit is serious and way more prevalent than people think, it’s just that it usually kills people who are already terminally ill.
Unlikely to be an assassination. But not impossible. Either way, looks very bad.
Yeah after that first whistleblower saying he would not commit suicide, then somehow did it anyway, it is not a good look if a second whistleblower dies, no matter what the real reason was.
You can infect a hospitalized patient with MRSA by paying off one (1) nurse, and I guarantee you can find a nurse who will play for cheap. At this point I’m 50/50 on whether the second whistleblower was murdered.
Y u p
10, by next week!
12
On sickness.
(Check the date on the article - life is now imitating satire).
Wow, ten more suicidal people that really want to off themselves and also suddenly all started talking about Boeing, all at the same time. They’ll also all off themselves in the coming weeks.
What are the chances of that happening?
Boeing deliberately only hires people with suicidal tendencies. It’s a non-negotiable character trait.
Isn’t there a 100% correlation rate previous to these 10?
Correlation between what and what?
Boeing whistleblowers and untimely deaths.
No, there’s been several others, like this guy
Separate tickets, dudes.
For real. If ever there were a time to hop on an Amtrak, I think this would be a good one.
I would want the motherfucking Navy to take me around South America, the passenger train system in the US is sadly so sparse it makes it too easy for someone to find someone else based on odds. And Amtrak doesn’t have anti air weapons
And Amtrak doesn’t have anti air weapons
Amtrak can pull your own private rail car. Nothing says that car couldn’t be the US’s navy’s armored caboose which may or may not actually have anti air weapons (classified)
Ok that’s absurdly dope but I’m still feeling safer on the aircraft carrier
Hope it carries Lockheed s planes nstead of… Boing
(Typo intentional, get off grammar Nazis)
And Raytheon missles!!
Navy and Air Force still have plenty of Boeings that were made properly. They’re talking about fitting the B-52 with warp engines rather than ever retire the thing
B52 with warp nacelles in an aircraft carrier? Hhhhm let me check something in midjourney and I’ll be back soon
You think they will make a boing machine just drop in on the train? I mean at the rate those planes are failing, I would not be surprised if that happens by chance even. Damn, this was their plan from the start, wasn’t it?
It’s okay, they are all going to commit suicide by jumping off together. The plane will have no issues.
They can’t possibly kill them all right?
“Aerospace firm” is pretty generous. They’re a defense contractor.
Why not both? Besides, I’m just quoting the article.
Boing: challenge accepted
Boeing: “Two down, ten to go!”
10 down, 100 to go.
Targets: the Dirty Dozen
“what are they going to do, kill all of us?” - dead whistleblower
Famous last words
Goddamn when are investigators gonna hear these whistles?
Investigators work for a company named Boeing.
As ofc do their assassins.
Same department and job title actually. Spawn kill basically.
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Why would you lead with that and then not even use it in your comment?
As a former circus trainer, I agree. It’s a strange preface.
Maybe it’s AI trying to hit keywords.
I think that sounds plain antisemitic…
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Explain in detail how you associate Israel in a debate of the unrelated context of correlating American corruption to corporate greed.
Is this just some underhanded antisemite sort of bullshit invoking Israel but really trying to associate Jews with corporate greed? Cuz thats what is seems to infer.
I remember thinking movies just had absurd sensationalized plot lines and that our societies were past that shit. Then I saw former soviets killed by alpha particle emitting pills, whistleblowers dying, and now I’m thinking the truth is stranger than fiction.
Hang in there Edward Snowden, it’s amazing that fucker threaded the needle and still lives.
whistleblower hunting season for boeing
People assume that Boeing is behind this. I’m more inclined to believe that it’s a major shareholder
If it’s a major owner of a company I would still say it’s the company.
