A new measure attempts to force the Senate’s hand on passing legislation to ban TikTok or mandate the app’s sale.
American politics really is one of the dumbest, most corrupt things out there. Good god.
This feels like trying to trick your dog into taking his medicine, by hiding it in its food. So apparently your average US Senator is as dumb as a Golden Retriever if they need this tactic to actually get shit done.
It’s insane that Americans still tolerate this. Clearly they don’t have your best interests as their main focus.
None of the fuckers want to change the voting system either. They just blame the other guys.
Wish someone would take STV and everyone woukd follow
It’s insane that Americans still tolerate this.
A consistent viewpoint I see on America, is the assumption that if we don’t like a politician we can simply say so and they’re out of office. One of the biggest problems here is actually that most people feel lacking in their personal control on the government, even local. Everything is such a large scale, that ‘speaking up’ not only feels like it does nothing—it really does nothing, unless you’re famous or something. No one here is happy about how our government works, we just don’t have control over it. It’s an illusion of control, while the people at the top make the actual choices.
WHY IS THIS STILL ALLOWED
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Because it’s the only way to get things done in a divided government?
My state has a rule restricting bills to one thing, and it seems to work pretty well.
Well I don’t know which state you mean but a lot of them are not divided the way then federal government is.
Sure, and mine is definitely not divided. But there have been contentious issues despite being predominantly one party.
I’d honestly rather a bill take much longer to pass than have a bunch of nonsense thrown in.
I think it’s a good method for achieving compromise. If the various factions perceive more benefit than cost, the bill passes. Obviously some bad things get snuck in, but you get good things out of it as well.
Even if your personal calculus is that this bill does more harm then good, I don’t think banning this method is a good idea.
I’d be okay with a Congressional rule that makes passage of one bill contingent on another bill to allow for compromise, but each bill should be tracked separately so it’s transparent to voters what’s being passed. There should also be a requirement that the title of the bill sufficiently describes the purchase of the bill.
That way we could still have bundles of bills, but the content of that bundle would be a lot more transparent. Seeing something like “Aid to Ukraine and Israel” also allowing the government to ban adversarial apps does not give constituents the appropriate information to contact their representative, and it’s quite possible the representatives themselves haven’t actually read the full bill if it’s large (but might read relevant portions if they were broken up into reasonably-titled bills).
I could see that being an improvement, although it’s not terribly different from the current system. It might be clearer for the public to understand.
On the other hand, reps would have to explain to their constituents why they voted for the kicking puppies act which people might have trouble grasping.
Package a TikTok bill along with aid for Ukraine, Israel AND Taiwan? Even lumping the aid bills together for 3 different countries is odd but the hell does TikTok now have to do with any of it? This is a weird system you guys got there.
They’re taking clues from Hungary. Our “child protection” (sic!) law bundled a pedophile registry (which is useless at best) alongside the censorship and de facto ban of sex education in schools, so Fidesz and Mi Hazánk (Fidesz satellite party which is a bit more honest about it being far-right) called the opposition pedo-defenders for not voting yes for it.
It’s not a system so much anymore. It’s more of a death spasm.
Political compromise is the process of inventing and enforcing policies that both parties can hate.
TikTok is controlled by the CCP which will happily push propaganda that impacts all three countries.
First off it’s not owned by the CCP and 2nd off almost all media you consume in America is American propaganda.
I didn’t say owned, and if you think they don’t control it you’re ignorant of how the CCP works.
Well aware of how they work, you’re just a dumbass that eats up American propaganda.
Go back to hexbear tankie trash
Ok nazi
It sucks I know, but if it gets Ukraine aid passed, lump in everything together. That’s the most important piece of legislation needed right now and we need it to pass.
Ukraine at least has an army to defend itself, so i would rather see neither have aid than bith Israel and ukraine having aid
How does aid for Ukraine change the fact I work 50 hours a week and can’t afford a studio apartment?
It doesn’t because you not being able to afford a studio apartment doesn’t plunge NATO into a war.
I gotta be honest, this is probably the stupidest comparison I’ve ever heard.
The fuck do I care about Nato if I can’t afford housing and food? Fuck NATO
Ukraine is a major global food supplier. The war has directly impacted food prices. And if Russia succeeds, it will only encourage more conflict of this kind. And that’s ignoring the possibility that this will escalate into an even larger conflict because Putin decides that NATO’s resolve is weak enough that article 5 is no longer a plausible threat.
Also, that stupid argument applies just as much to funding schools, cancer research, fighting climate change and basically all other functions of government that serve the public good. We should do more to address economic issues, but that doesn’t mean we should stop doing everything else.
Have you tried turning your job off and turning it back on again after 15 seconds? Worked for my wifi.
China is the one aspect that unites all three. They are supporting Russia in their invasion of Ukraine, they are running a massive pro-Hamas disinformation campaign on social media, they are ramping up for an invasion of Taiwan and TikTok is their most effective propaganda and espionage tool to date.
Real shit, how can I bypass article paywalls/sign up requests? I click the link, paywall. I find an alternative link: paywall. The internet is so shit
Welcome to capitalism, where the poor get poorer and so on and so forth :-)
Here’s a copy. When the page has loaded, click on the Reader Mode in Firefox for clutter free reading : https://web.archive.org/web/20240418132447/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/17/technology/tiktok-ban-ukraine-israel-aid.html
Also as much as I hate TikTok, and the amount of time people spend on it, I think the government starting to censor what applications we can and can’t use is a scary thing. Congressmen have already stated “As soon as the TikTok legislation takes effect, we are going after Facebook and the others”
Can’t remember which one said it but it was an interview on NPR with a congressman.
I say this all the time, and people say: “impossible, news outlets need revenue”. To which I will say that is entirely bullshit. We could easily afford grants for news, and provide continuing grants to news sources that rank the highest in 3rd party consumer evaluations.
1ft.io and 12ft.io work for me most of the time.
Otherwise I try one of the archive sites like archive.today or archive.ph but they don’t always work. I can’t even get past the captcha most times.
If reader mode not work, there are some website: https://12ft.io, https://1ft.io, https://removepaywall.com, https://archive.ph
of course.
Oh for fucks sake who did that?
or:
We really need to ban adding unrelated things into one big bill.
“TikTok changed my life for the better” Jesus fuck
